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Re: [VHFcontesting] A distance scoring contest

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Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] A distance scoring contest
From: kr7o@vhfdx.com
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:50:47 -0800
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Brilliant idea Marshall !   Have teams of grid circlers on both coasts (or 
better yet a team in South Africa or Australia) and grid circle via the 
moon.  Want a challenge Wayne?


Hope your "cheap-yagi" array works.  I would be concerned about poor G/T 
with those antennas causing RX problems, but it is something I considered 
before, 16x cheap yagis, just for fun.




>Speaking of which, would grid circlers still have a huge advantage due
>to all the QSO's that they can make?  Would a contact "just across the
>line" count for 0.03 miles??  Just wondering.
>
>73 to all....Marshall K5QE
>
>Zack Widup wrote:
>
> > That is sooo cool that you made all those EME QSO's in the contest! I
> > don't even hope to ever achieve that in the QRP Portable class! But
> > then, neither will anyone else in that category.   :-)
> >
> > It certainly puts a new twist on distance scoring, doesn't it? Not
> > likely a Rover is going to do EME, either. At least not on 144 MHz.
> >
> > 73, Zack W9SZ
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Marshall Williams
> > <k5qe@sabinenet.com <mailto:k5qe@sabinenet.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hello to everyone.....Concerning the Distance scoring thing:
> >      First, let
> >     me say that I neither oppose nor favor a distance measured contest.  I
> >     have never operated in one and it might be fun.
> >
> >     However, I would like to bring up an issue that has not been
> >     considered.  In the Jan VHF contest, I made 36 2M EME contacts with
> >     stations all over Europe and the US.  Although there are only a few
> >     JA's, VK's, and ZL's on EME, it is certainly possible to work them
> >     too.
> >     Below I have listed a few of these contacts, just for calculation
> >     purposes.
> >
> >     A bit of analysis here:  The longest contact made was to Glenn,
> >     ZS2GK at
> >     9124 miles....the shortest to John, W4RBO, was only 774 miles.
> >      Most EU
> >     contacts are 5000+ miles.  The run of the mill US contacts were from
> >     1200- to 1900- miles.  I have only listed 31 contacts, with a total
> >     mileage of 120997.
> >
> >     The issue that I want to advance is that a single contact of 9124
> >     miles
> >     would be the same as 91 contacts of 100 miles--or 45 contacts of 200
> >     miles.  I doubt very much that I make 45 contacts of 200 miles or more
> >     to non-EME stations in *any* VHF contest on 2M.  The contacts
> >     listed(the
> >     other 5 are scattered in my log somewhere) would be equivalent to 1209
> >     contacts of 100 miles and 604 contacts of 200 miles!!  I certainly
> >     have
> >     never made 1209 contacts on 2M in any contest, much less of 100 miles.
> >     I have never made 604 contacts on 2M either....of any distance.  I
> >     guess
> >     I can dream.....HI.
> >
> >     Hence, and I am finally getting to the point of all this, a distance
> >     scoring contest would inevitably become a "mini-EME" contest with
> >     whatever locals you could find thrown in.  I would participate in this
> >     contest and have fun, especially since I would have a major advantage
> >     over everyone in the country except for a few spoil sports.....like
> >     W5UN, KB8RQ, K9MRI, W7GJ, K6MYC, K1JT, and a few others.  HI.  You may
> >     see pictures of  my "advantage" on my web site.
> >
> >     Finally, a contest where the advantage of the folks living in the
> >     "Golden Corridor" is eliminated!!!  It is CLEAR that we should
> >     have such
> >     a contest!!!  Considering how awful the propagation was in this Jan
> >     contest, maybe the Jan contest should be it.
> >
> >     OK you say, we will just ban EME contacts in such a contest.  Well
> >     that
> >     certainly files in the face of a distance measured contest.  We want
> >     people to work hard to make difficult, long distance
> >     contacts--just not
> >     TOO long distance!!
> >
> >     Again, I think that a distance measured contest might be fun and I
> >     would
> >     certainly participate.  I just wanted everyone to know how such a
> >     contest will be "gamed".
> >
> >     GM es 73 to all.....Marshall K5QE
> >     www.k5qe.com <http://www.k5qe.com/>
> >
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0704 K5QE              EM31   ZS2GK
> >     KF47    9124 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0710 K5QE              EM31   DL8GP
> >     JN39     5055 miles
> >     QSO:   144 CW 2009-01-18 0720 K5QE             EM31   SM2CEW
> >     KP15     4963 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0730 K5QE              EM31   RK3FG
> >     KO86    5729 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0734 K5QE              EM31   K0KP
> >           EN36     1043 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0750 K5QE              EM31   IK1UWL
> >     JN33     5260 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0754 K5QE              EM31   HA0HO
> >     KN07    5666 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0758 K5QE              EM31   K0AWU
> >     EN37    1112 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0802 K5QE              EM31   9A3GE
> >          JN75      5519 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0807 K5QE              EM31   YL2HA
> >     KO26     5403 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0811 K5QE              EM31   OM3BC
> >     JN98      5550 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0816 K5QE              EM31   YT3I
> >          KN05     5752 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0820 K5QE              EM31   WB2RVX
> >     FM29     1195 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0825 K5QE              EM31   DK1CO
> >     JO63      5139 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0832 K5QE              EM31   IK1FJI
> >           JN44      5310 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0837 K5QE              EM31   DK5EW
> >     JN48      5168 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0845 K5QE              EM31   DL4DWA
> >     JO61     5212 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0855 K5QE              EM31   S52LM
> >         JN65     5438 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0905 K5QE              EM31   K1JT
> >         FN20     1224 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0908 K5QE              EM31   WA3QPX
> >     FM29     1195 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0914 K5QE              EM31   DJ9EV
> >             JN49       5134 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0921 K5QE              EM31   K6MYC
> >     DM07    1495 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0924 K5QE              EM31   IK2DDR
> >     JN55      5357 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0940 K5QE              EM31   I2FAK
> >       JN45      5274 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 0958 K5QE              EM31   EB1DNK
> >     IN62      4655 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 1025 K5QE              EM31   K7CW
> >     CN87      1899 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 1100 K5QE              EM31   K1OR
> >         FN42      1469 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 1110 K5QE              EM31   W7CE
> >     CN87      1889 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 1134 K5QE              EM31   W4RBO
> >     EL99       774 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 1140 K5QE              EM31   W1TMZ
> >     FN41     1442 miles
> >     QSO:   144 PH 2009-01-18 1146 K5QE              EM31   VE5UF
> >     DO61      1542 miles
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