Towertalk
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [TowerTalk] Wireman W2DU Current Type Balun

To: Richard Smith <n6kt1@sbcglobal.net>, "towertalk@contesting.com" <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Wireman W2DU Current Type Balun
From: Máximo EA1DDO_HK1H <ea1ddo@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 07:05:07 +0000
List-post: <mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
Hi Rich,

Not myself, but someone else in this group. It seems the device shows on the 
field the advertised specifications.
The guy behind it is a RF engineer, coming from Cushcraft antennas.

I would give him a chance.

73, Maximo


<http://foro.ea1ddo.es/>


________________________________
De: TowerTalk <towertalk-bounces@contesting.com> en nombre de Richard Smith 
<n6kt1@sbcglobal.net>
Enviado: miércoles, 28 de diciembre de 2022 0:04
Para: towertalk@contesting.com <towertalk@contesting.com>
Asunto: Re: [TowerTalk] Wireman W2DU Current Type Balun

Hi Maximo,
Thanks for directing me to the MyAntennas site. Their Choke Baluns and Common 
Mode Filter Chokes seem to have very good performance. Have you used them 
yourself?
TNX and 73, Rich, N6KT
    On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 01:50:15 AM PST, Máximo EA1DDO_HK1H 
<ea1ddo@hotmail.com> wrote:


Hi Rich,



You can get a commercial choke showing in excess of 5K Ohm at 28 Mhz, up to 3Kw:



https://myantennas.com/wp/product/cmc-130-3k/



If you prefer to build it yourself, you just need to follow Jim´s Cookbook:



http://k9yc.com/2018Cookbook.pdf



73,

Máximo EA1DDO

www.EA1DDO.es<http://www.EA1DDO.es>





















-----Original Message-----
From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
Smith
Sent: martes, 27 de diciembre de 2022 0:53
To: towertalk@contesting.com; Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Wireman W2DU Current Type Balun



I can see that my initial request included far too few details. Thanks for the 
many good responses.

The responses were very helpful for me. I'll try to refine my request.

1) Approximately 5000 ohms choking resistance at 10 Meters.2) A design that can 
easily handle 1500 Watts into a 2.5:1 max SWR load.

In preparation for my next contest effort, I already have about 30 tasks on my 
Task List. I was hoping that a suitable commercially made choke balun would be 
available so that I would not have to design and build them. From the responses 
to my initial request, it looks like no one on TowerTalk can share any 
first-hand experience with the Wireman W2DU choke balun. Also, the Balun 
Designs 1115t (which I have purchased in the past) does not have good 
performance at 10 Meters.

It seems that I should investigate the commercial offerings, asking:

How many beads or cores?Physical size of the beads or cores?Are they Mix 31 or 
43?What type of coax or wire is used internally?What is the Rs of the choke at 
10 Meters?

Does that sound about right?

TNX and 73, Rich, N6KT

    On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 12:00:57 PM PST, Jim Brown 
<jim@audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:



 On 12/25/2022 8:15 AM, Lux, Jim wrote:

> The material datasheet claims 20% uncertainty in the properties

> (although I don't know if that is "run to run" or "piece to piece

> within a run") - They're sintered from a powder, and having just

> looked a a bunch of micrographs of gas line filters made using a

> similar process, i was surprised how much variation there is in that process, 
> within a batch.



I accumulated a stock of 100 or so cores purchased from different vendors over 
almost 15 years. They included one that was a pre-production sample from 
2004-5. As part of my process, I characterized all of those cores by measuring 
the "same" winding on each of them, and tabulating complex data at selected 
frequencies. Cores were generally not labeled by purchase date, except for 
group of recently purchased cores.



After completing work on the Cookbook, I decided to try to evaluate Steve's 
recommendations for chokes on #52 material, and purchased 40 of those cores, 
buying 10 from four industrial vendors over about 8 weeks.

I repeated the characterization process, selected four cores at limits, wound 
and measured chokes based on Steve's designs for single core and two core 
chokes. I could not repeat any of Steve's recommendations with those "limits" 
cores.



73, Jim K9YC

_______________________________________________







_______________________________________________

TowerTalk mailing list

TowerTalk@contesting.com

http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk



_______________________________________________







_______________________________________________

TowerTalk mailing list

TowerTalk@contesting.com

http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk

_______________________________________________



_______________________________________________
TowerTalk mailing list
TowerTalk@contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk
_______________________________________________



_______________________________________________
TowerTalk mailing list
TowerTalk@contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>