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Re: [TowerTalk] Back of desk grounding buss

To: garyschafer@comcast.net, towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Back of desk grounding buss
From: Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 14:47:25 -0700
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On 3/22/14 9:04 AM, Gary Schafer wrote:


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From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Jim Lux

Wide flat strips have low AC *resistance* because of skin effect, but
the inductance isn't much different from a round wire.

AC resistance is *very important* in applications like RF grounds for
commercial broadcast antennas, because resistance = heat = lost power =
lost money, so they use flat ribbon.

But lightning energy peaks around 1 MHz where low AC resistance is
important.

The problem is that the inductance reactance is orders of magnitude greater than the AC resistance, so when it comes to transient voltages, it's L you worry about not R.

Compare the AC resistance of a meter of AWG 10 wire with the inductive reactance..

AWG10 wire has a ac resistance at 1 MHz of 0.03 ohms
A one meter long conductor has an inductance of about 1 uH, and at 1 MHz, that's 6.28 ohms.

So the transient voltage you are seeing is more determined by the 6 ohms/meter from L than the 0.03 ohms/meter of R. Lowering R by going to a wide flat ribbon doesn't help much, say you drive the resistance down to 0.01 ohms/meter. The 6.28 still dominates.






The inductance of two parallel inductors is:
(L+M)/2
where L is the inductance of a single inductor and M is the mutual
inductance.

Yes flat strap has mutual inductance across its width but isn't mutual
inductance considerably lower with a flat strap than separate parallel
wires.


Not really. If the current is flowing evenly along the strip it makes no difference whether it is separate wires or one continuous flat wire. There's no current flow "cross ways" across the strip, so it makes no difference if there's insulator in the way.


there is a "proximity effect" in close wound coils which is akin to skin effect, where the current is carried in the exposed surface of the turn, as opposed to the sides of the turns. It's the same thing as skin effect: the current gets pushed to the outside.

But it's still tightly coupled by the magnetic fields, so the inductance doesn't change much.

If you go from a 1x1 cm bar to a 0.05 x 20 cm strap, the inductance is reduced by about 30%. The AC resistance, though, drops by 90% for the same change.

So if you're in a steady state kind of scenario (AM broadcast transmitter), where the inductance is "tuned out", that 90% change in loss is worth it.


If you get up into microwave frequencies, the AC resistance starts to get larger, because skin depth goes as 1/sqrt(f)

go up to 100 MHz, and now that AWG 10 wire a meter long has an AC resistance of 0.3 ohms. The L is still 1 uH, so the Z is now 628 Ohms


You have to go way down around a few hundred Hz to where the resistance starts to dominate over the L.


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