Re: [TowerTalk] Back of desk grounding buss

[Patrick Greenlee <patrick_g@windstream.net>]

Thanks so much for posting the Moto site guide. A breath of fresh air.  
When there is a group grope debating the number of angels dancing on the 
head of a pin it is good to use a microscope and just count the buggers!
Patrick NJ5G


On 3/22/2014 11:13 AM, n4zkf wrote:
> Building a site. Big or small.
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> http://www.radioandtrunking.com/downloads/motorola/R56_2005_manual.pdf
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> 2-19
> 3-17
> 4-44
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> You will get the hintS(.
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> 73 Dave n4zkf
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> On 3/22/14 12:04 PM, "Gary Schafer" <garyschafer@comcast.net> wrote:
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Jim Lux
> > >
> > > Wide flat strips have low AC *resistance* because of skin effect, but
> > > the inductance isn't much different from a round wire.
> > >
> > > AC resistance is *very important* in applications like RF grounds for
> > > commercial broadcast antennas, because resistance = heat = lost power =
> > > lost money, so they use flat ribbon.
> > But lightning energy peaks around 1 MHz where low AC resistance is
> > important.
> >
> > > Flat ribbon/strip has a high surface area to volume ratio, and AC
> > > resistance is all about surface area for RF because of skin effect, so
> > > if you're paying by the pound for the copper, it's the best deal.
> > >
> > > Inductance just isn't strongly affected by the shape of the conductor.
> > > The NBS monograph by Rosa (from 1907, it's one of the first ones
> > > published) has all the formulas.
> > >
> > > Flat strips don't have markedly lower inductance for a fairly simple
> > > reason..
> > >
> > > Consider your ribbon as a bunch of parallel wires.  Each of those wires
> > > has some inductance L, and you'd think that putting N inductors with
> > > inductance L in parallel would give you an inductance of L/N.  But the
> > > problem is that those wires are right next to each other, so they have a
> > > significant mutual inductance (the magnetic field of wire #4 is tightly
> > > coupled to wires #3 and #5 next to it, etc.).  That tight coupling means
> > > that the inductance of the parallel combination just isn't that much
> > > lower than of one wire.
> > >
> > > The inductance of two parallel inductors is:
> > > (L+M)/2
> > > where L is the inductance of a single inductor and M is the mutual
> > > inductance.
> > Yes flat strap has mutual inductance across its width but isn't mutual
> > inductance considerably lower with a flat strap than separate parallel
> > wires.
> >
> > 73
> > Gary  K4FMX
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