On 10/26/2010 10:49 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> > According to Hy-Gain they come with the pig tail instead of a terminal
> > strip, but two bearing races rule out the tailtwister any way.
>
> They do now ... but they used the terminal strips for more than 25
> years. There are a lot of old T2X out there that have never been
> converted to pigtail. I don't care for the Cinch Jones plug ...
> it's not waterproof/sealed and as far as I'm concerned no better than
> the terminal strip.
The TailTwisters do not use the Chnch Jones plugs, they use a round
one...of which I forgot the name. They are sorta like the old
"Winchester" plugs, but not quite. The Ham IV/V uses the Chinch Jones,
but not the T2X. I told them to send me the one for the T2X. <:-))
73
Roger (K8RI)
> > The next rotator I purchase will be an Alpha Spid. Only slightly more
> > than the Ham V and much, much stronger with no ability to free wheel.
>
> Perhaps ... but adding a decent controller (Green Heron?) makes the
> system cost substantially higher. Not that there aren't advantages
> to a design that has no fixed stops ...
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
> On 10/26/2010 7:26 PM, Roger (K8RI) wrote:
>>
>> On 10/26/2010 6:15 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>> > Almost certainly not a T2X. Wrong wiring for one although it could
>>> > be a really old one without the pigtail.
>>>
>>> T2X uses same wiring as HAM II/III/IV/V. The difference is a
>>> larger casting (with through bolts) and a third bearing race.
>> According to Hy-Gain they come with the pig tail instead of a terminal
>> strip, but two bearing races rule out the tailtwister any way.
>>
>>
>>> The only difference in the controllers between T2X and HAM IV/V
>>> is the additional LEDs for CW/CCW (and possibly paint color
>>> depending on the era). Compare parts lists in the manuals at
>>> various stages of production and you will find part numbers
>>> leapfrogging one another as improvements were introduced in
>>> first one then the other series of rotors.
>>>
>>> ... and yes, the original T2X included the terminal strips ...
>>> I have two of them with terminal strips from the late 70's.
>> I don't think this one is near that old.
>>
>> Actually according to the pig tail conversion the wires are of different
>> color between the two. However I think the connectors are the only
>> difference in the pigtails.
>>
>> The next rotator I purchase will be an Alpha Spid. Only slightly more
>> than the Ham V and much, much stronger with no ability to free wheel.
>>
>> Thanks and 73
>>
>> Roger (K8RI)
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/26/2010 5:29 PM, Roger (K8RI) wrote:
>>>> On 10/26/2010 4:53 PM, n8de@thepoint.net wrote:
>>>>> Roger,
>>>>> One thing you might try is this:
>>>>>
>>>>> connect the rotor to a control box, and then push the 'brake' lever.
>>>>>
>>>>> Listen closely to the 'noise' it makes.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the sound appears to come from the BOTTOM of the lower housing, it
>>>>> may be a HAM-M or similar family.
>>>> Already been there<:-)) It's from the side.
>>>>
>>>>> If the sound appears to come from the SIDE of the lower housing, it
>>>>> might be a HAM-III, HAM-IV, or T2X, but I'm sure all the T2X rotor
>>>>> housings have definite markings you can't confuse with the others.
>>>>>
>>>> Almost certainly not a T2X. Wrong wiring for one although it could be a
>>>> really old one without the pigtail. I don't know if they made
>>>> TailTwisters without the pigtail.
>>>> This is sorta like working on a fairly simple circuit without a
>>>> schematic although I don't see any problem putting this back together
>>>> without a diagram or photo. The only tricky part is the double bearing
>>>> race with the one set of bearings setting directly on top of the other.
>>>> It takes some good grease to keep them in place.
>>>>
>>>> The last time I had one of these apart was not long after they came out
>>>> with the latest and greatest ...Ham M.<:-))
>>>>> NOW ... if you'd like to dispose of any of them, I'M INTERESTED!!
>>>> Sorry, they really aren't mine. I said I inherited them, but when I said
>>>> I needed a rotator I was offered one "to use" that might need a bit of
>>>> work as it had set around a long time. The wording was I could store it
>>>> on my tower for him. (He doesn't foresee needing it for a longgg time).
>>>> This way, when I no longer need it he can have it back albeit the thing
>>>> now looks like new, inside and out and it was a reasonable way for me to
>>>> get a rotator to use for a while.
>>>>
>>>> I have to admit this has reminded me why I really like the PST61 and
>>>> Alpha Spid, Dual worm gear rotators.<:-))
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>>
>>>> Roger (K8RI)
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Don
>>>>> N8DE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Quoting "Roger (K8RI)"<K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/26/2010 4:18 PM, Roger (K8RI) wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/26/2010 5:34 AM, Todd Coulter wrote:
>>>>>>>> Roger,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe this page from Norm's Rotor Service will help.
>>>>>>> A little, but I already know it's a ham series due to the extended brake
>>>>>>> housing that adds about 4" to the height.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I can't find are any designations stamped on the base of the
>>>>>>> housing. I'm assuming that means the bottom outside of the base? There
>>>>>>> is no mast extension to cover the base. There is a single digit followed
>>>>>>> by a dash and IIRC 3 digits,
>>>>>> Those numbers are 5 604 (space between the 5 and 604) and are the only
>>>>>> thing on the base.There is nothing on the outside of the base cover
>>>>>> which is the brake and nothing on the bell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It appears to be a Ham IV, but could be a older Ham M and I do not know
>>>>>> how to tell them apart based on appearance and parts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger (K8RI)
>>>>>>> but nothing that resembles the codes
>>>>>>> depicted on norms page which BTW if you wear bifocals is very difficult
>>>>>>> to read with the text overlaying the charts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even then, there is nothing to tell me what's different between the
>>>>>>> different models even if I do find a designation which seems to be
>>>>>>> missing. The controller is just the generic "ham" controller.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger (K8RI)
>>>>>>>> http://rotorservice.com/serv3%20identify.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 73's
>>>>>>>> Todd
>>>>>>>> N4JRZ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Roger (K8RI)
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:07 AM
>>>>>>>> To: TOWERTALK@contesting.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: [TowerTalk] Speaking of the Han Series of rotators...How do
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> tell the difference.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I recently inherited a couple of basket cases. They appear to be ham
>>>>>>>> IV's but how do you tell the ham IV rotator minus control box, from
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> other models? Other than having to clean out a lot of dirt and replace
>>>>>>>> the bearings...I replaced the terminal strips with the TailTwister
>>>>>>>> pigtails and connectors. Welll... I really didn't have to replace the
>>>>>>>> bearings, but I like shiny bearings rather than old dull black ones.
>>>>>>>> That and I discovered you can purchase them from Hy-gain including the
>>>>>>>> retainers for between 1/3 and 1/4 the price at the hardware store which
>>>>>>>> used to be an inexpensive place to get things like that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger (K8RI)
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