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Re: [TowerTalk] bonding to Rohn tower

To: John Kemker <john@kemker.org>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] bonding to Rohn tower
From: jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:39:21 -0700
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John Kemker wrote:
> Why?  Prime Directive:  Always follow the Manufacturer's instructions.

Hmm... what mfr are we talking about here?  I can see using the bolts 
that the mfr of a tower recommends to hold sections together.  But here, 
we're talking about a system design recommendation.

> 
> The manufacturer recommends using strap and clamps.  Polyphaser and ICE 
> both, that is.  Polyphaser is out to sell things, sure.  However, they'd 
> probably sell the non-strap solution for just as much as the strap 
> solution, so I'd tend to trust their engineering over guesswork  about 
> what a few microhenries might or might not mean to my house and gear.  

But, then, why would the electrical code and NFPA780 (the lightning rod 
code) not mention the use of copper strap. I don't see any *published* 
engineering analysis on ICE's website nor on PolyPhaser's, while there 
is copious engineering analysis published in connection with the 
electrical codes.

I'd note that most electrical codes require the use of only "listed" 
components in a system, and those parts from ICE and PP aren't listed.

PP's copper strap listed online doesn't even tell you how thick the 
ribbon is.  Is it 0.01", 0.1", etc.
In one note, they say: "Where any wire ground path is used, the copper 
strap will have lower inductance. Radials on bare mountain tops -- the 
strap's sharp edge will allow a lower voltage side flashing to the bare 
rock than wire."

The usual lightning protection specs for structures actually have a lot 
of detail on why you want to suppress side flash. That sharp edge is 
actually counter to the good engineering in that situation. Sure, in a 
case where you're running from the base of a tower to a ground rod a few 
feet away (the case in the original post), I'll bet it makes no difference.

I do see that PP has a 58R-112S clamp designed to attach their strap to 
a ground rod, which would replace the need for an exothermic weld, 
although it would mean you'd have to periodically inspect it to make 
sure the bolts are tight.

And, how many hams follow PP's instructions and make sure that their 
copper strap is routed with bends at least 8" in radius (right out page 
6 of their ham radio ap note).  How would you support that bend so that 
it is mechanically secure.


> That way, when the insurance agency comes around to settle a claim, I 
> don't have to justify why I didn't follow the manufacturer's 
> recommendations for ground system. ICE doesn't sell the strap at all, 
> but discussions on the phone with them indicate that they strongly 
> recommend using strap over wire or braid.  Therefore, the probability of 
> there being a conflict of interest in their case is pretty much nil.

You're going to tell the insurance company that you followed the 
manufacturer's "discussions on the phone", or the manufacturer's 
"printed on paper and we stand behind it legally" instructions?

Actually, I doubt either makes a heck of a lot of difference to whether 
the insurance company will settle the claim, unless you've done 
something particularly egregious.  In fact, I'd imagine that nobody can 
cite a case where there was *no lightning protection at all* on an 
antenna and the insurance company used that as a justification to not 
pay.  If you're in a situation where the insurance company is looking to 
see whether you properly torqued the bolts to mfr spec and did your 
annual inspections with independent QA, you're in a world of hurt.


> 
> Besides, a coworker used to design ground systems for broadcast towers 
> before he discovered he enjoyed programming and the higher paycheck it 
> brought more than he enjoyed designing ground systems.  He recommended 
> copper straps over wire or braid, based upon the skin-effect of the 
> high-frequency components of a lightning strike.  You have way more 
> surface area on the strap than you do on any of the braids or wire.  

I'm not sure this is really the case.
1) ground systems for commercial installations (e.g. broadcast towers) 
have different requirements than those for ham installations.  Yes, they 
have *some* similarities, but for instance, I think the FCC 120 radials 
style ground is driven not by lightning protection (for which it would 
be overkill) but by RF radiation efficiency.

2) Surface area of a 1" strap isn't much different than that of a 4/0 
cable. A thin strap will be cheaper than a 4/0 cable, but now you have 
the "how do I connect the strap to my ground rod using an exothermic 
weld" problem (which was the original question).



> More surface area means less resistance/impedance to the energy, meaning 
> more gets diverted to ground and less makes its way into your shack.  
> Considering it's a relatively inexpensive addition to the overall cost 
> of the tower project means I'll stick with the Manufacturer's 
> Recommendations.

I'd just like to know the origin of this whole "thin copper ribbon" 
grounding thing. It doesn't stand up very well to analysis, so I'm 
thinking that it was borrowed from somewhere else, driven by other 
considerations, and happened to work, so became "common knowledge".

If you were worried about impedance at 100 MHz, then your ribbon vs 
cable starts to be more relevant. If you are trying to make your 
lightning and RF ground the same, maybe that's more relevant.

But from a straight lightning protection or electrical safety bonding 
standpoint, either seems that it would work, and I'd go with the 
mechanically more secure approach, which means cadwelds, round cable, etc.



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