Well, I did some digging, Clifford doesnt seem to provide much info online.
However General Cable is one of their suppliers and they list #12 and # 14
in 4000' reels.
I'll call Monday and see about cost and motor freight from Kentucky. Or if
Clifford wants to be cooperative, Vermont is an easier drive and it wont
bankrupt me on gas for my 1T van!
Maybe do a group buy if the price goes down. I did that years ago and
ordered around 20K feet.
Carl
KM1H
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Robbins K1TTT" <k1ttt@arrl.net>
To: "'jeremy-ca'" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>; <w1eqo@shaysnet.com>;
<towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [YCCC] newest bestest radial material ever!
> I've been using the #10 here. http://www.cliffordvt.com/imsa.html the
> imsa
> space 28-3 copper-clad steel. Still on the web page, but they don't list
> the gauges on there.
>
>
> David Robbins K1TTT
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>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jeremy-ca [mailto:km1h@jeremy.mv.com]
>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 22:22
>> To: k1ttt@arrl.net; w1eqo@shaysnet.com; towertalk@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [YCCC] newest bestest radial material ever!
>>
>> Clifford was also my supplier; as of a month ago they said no more #12.
>> I'll check again Monday to be sure; I was using a 20 year old part #.
>> Do you have the part # of what you bought?
>>
>> Carl
>> KM1H
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Robbins K1TTT" <k1ttt@arrl.net>
>> To: "'jeremy-ca'" <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>; <w1eqo@shaysnet.com>;
>> <towertalk@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 6:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [YCCC] newest bestest radial material ever!
>>
>>
>> >I get the imsa spec insulated stuff from Clifford of Vt. They will cut
>> to
>> > order, but there is a minimum that isn't too bad if I remember right.
>> >
>> >
>> > David Robbins K1TTT
>> > e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
>> > web: http://www.k1ttt.net
>> > AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:towertalk-
>> >> bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of jeremy-ca
>> >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 20:16
>> >> To: w1eqo@shaysnet.com; towertalk@contesting.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [YCCC] newest bestest radial material ever!
>> >>
>> >> Where do you get your copperweld? I used to buy #12 rural phone wire
>> >> in
>> >> 1000' spools but its been discontinued wherever I check. Im going to
>> >> need
>> >> at least 10K feet. Ive found #14 at a few places.
>> >> I also bought full spools of #14 stranded copperweld but that stuff
>> >> turned
>> >> to rust in a few years when used as antenna wire, never mind ground
>> >> radials.
>> >>
>> >> Carl
>> >> KM1H
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: <w1eqo@shaysnet.com>
>> >> To: <w2lk@earthlink.net>; <yccc@yccc.org>; <towertalk@contesting.com>;
>> >> <cq-contest@contesting.com>
>> >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:46 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [YCCC] newest bestest radial material ever!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Not exactly aluminum wire, but...
>> >>
>> >> A while back I had a conversation with Copperweld regarding their
>> >> "aluminum-weld wire". It is a steel wire coated with an aluminum
>> jacket.
>> >>
>> >> I was told that it would not last much longer than a "couple of years"
>> in
>> >> contact, or buried in the ground. The problem was not the aluminium,
>> but
>> >> the dissimilar junction that occurs everywhere the aluminum jacket
>> >> gets
>> >> nicked or broken thru. These will turn to dust in short order.
>> >>
>> >> For raised radials, no problem. Another reason to use raised radials.
>> >>
>> >> On the other hand, there is not a similar problem with copperweld.
>> >> That
>> >> product will last many years in the ground.
>> >>
>> >> Copperweld wire is cheap if ordered from the factory. The downside is
>> the
>> >> minimum order size...about 1000 lbs. Then there is trucking, and what
>> to
>> >> do
>> >> with the spool once it arrives.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jim, W1EQO
>> >> w1eqo@shaysnet.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Original Message:
>> >> -----------------
>> >> From: Les Kalmus w2lk@earthlink.net
>> >> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:24:07 -0400
>> >> To: yccc@yccc.org, towertalk@contesting.com, CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [YCCC] [TowerTalk] newest bestest radial material ever!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Any thoughts on how this stuff will survive on the ground?
>> >>
>> >> Les W2LK
>> >>
>> >> Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:
>> >> > Last year I bought some aluminum wire in coils like you describe. I
>> >> > think it was a company
>> >> > in Ohio and may very well have been Malinco. Anyway, they had a 50
>> lb
>> >> > minimum and charged
>> >> > something like $3 and change per pound. This is way cheaper than
>> >> > McMaster. I wholeheartedly
>> >> > agree that alloy 1100 is the hot setup. BTW, did you know it also
>> >> > is
>> >> > the most corrosion resistant?
>> >> > The stuff I got was annealed to practically wet noodle consistency
>> >> > :-
>> ).
>> >> > Wonderful to work with.
>> >> >
>> >> > Rick N6RK
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > K1TTT wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I just found the newest bestest radial material I have ever used!
>> And
>> >> over
>> >> >> the years I have used a lot of them. It ain't cheap, but at this
>> >> >> point
>> >> in
>> >> >> the 80m 4-square project that doesn't much matter any more.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It is Alloy 1100 Aluminum Wire .125" Diameter(just under 8ga),
>> >> >> 12-lb
>> >> Coil,
>> >> >> 792' Coil, McMaster-Carr part number 8866k15. They sell it for
>> >> >> $150
>> >> and
>> >> its
>> >> >> enough for 12 radials for 80m. it comes with a tag from
>> >> www.malinco.com,
>> >> >> they don't seem to have an on-line order system so probably only
>> deal
>> >> in
>> >> big
>> >> >> quantities.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you want something a bit cheaper they have 2016' coils of .080
>> >> (about
>> >> >> 12ga) for $146.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This stuff comes in a coil, which kind of worried me a bit until I
>> cut
>> >> off
>> >> >> the tie wraps and it just sat there... no spring to it at all. It
>> is
>> >> easy
>> >> >> to cut with small wire cutters, and easy to hand wrap around bolts
>> and
>> >> >> itself to make eyes. It can also be uncoiled and doesn't get
>> kinked,
>> >> you
>> >> >> don't have to roll it out like Copperweld or other stiffer wires.
>> >> >> I
>> >> found
>> >> >> it easiest to just stick the coil over one arm and uncoil it as I
>> >> walked
>> >> >> from vertical to vertical to connect them up.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Btw, even with just the radials connected around the square this
>> >> >> new
>> >> >> 4-square is MUCH better than the old hanging around a tower. I can
>> >> take
>> >> an
>> >> >> s9+ ve3 and make them disappear off the back.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> David Robbins K1TTT
>> >> >> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
>> >> >> web: http://www.k1ttt.net
>> >> >> AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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