Was there not another list started for FT8 on topband??
Why the heck is this stuff still here then??
Roger,
If you are so confident that digital is going to fail, why not sit
back and let it happen? I have never figured out why people in the
hobby would actively seek to push people out of the hobby. What I find
most interesting is that those trying new things and experimenting
never seem to "attack" those that don't. Why is that?
Like all hobbies people come and go for their own reasons. There is a
hell of a lot more to the hobby than working people on AM, CW or SSB
on HF, chasing DX, contesting etc.
As for your 2nd to last paragraph, those are your opinions. Those are
not facts. There is skill involved. There is a bunch of excitement
and achievement. You just keep repeating the same old things to make
yourself feel better. Congratulations to your old guard in England
for being able to run people off your repeaters. That is something to
be proud about? Wow! The ARRL RTTY roundup ran recently and FT/X
and other modes were allowed but those modes or types were never
really pushed.
https://3830scores.com/currecscores.php?arg=01cgsXz7mgcyx ; Why don't
you click the link and see how many people used digital? This list
only those that know about 3830. Yes RTTY is the champion by far but
it would seem to me that a lot of people sure had fun digital.
I understand you don't like. FT8 users got that long ago. I know
plenty of hams who will never get on CW but I never hear them
criticizing it or even thinking about jamming things they don't like.
In the USA this is what Ham Radio is according to the FCC.
§97.1 Basis and purpose. The rules and regulations in this part are
designed to provide an amateur radio service having a fundamental
purpose as expressed in the following principles:
(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to
the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service,
particularly withrespect to providing emergency communications.
(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to
contribute to the advancement of the radio art.
(c) Encouragement and improvementof the amateur service through rules
which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and
technical phases of the art.
(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio
service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.
(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to
enhance international goodwill.
I think many have lost sight of this. Encouragement is not telling
people that FT8 sucks, that you have no skill, it is not ham radio,
nobody will stay with it etc. It is certainly not about jamming
people out off a repeater.
Where is your goodwill? Instead of constant criticism of the modes,
where is the reaching out to others to try CW or SSB or some other
parts of the hobby? All I see is oh you run X Get out of here. I
find it extraordinary that somehow you can tell someone what will be
exciting to them or what is an achievement to themor what takes skills
and you don't even know them. What is wrong with Ham Radio today? This!
Anyway we have our own group of nearly 100 people in less than a day.
We will continue on in a friendly fashion and will have fun and if
FT/X dies so be it. I bet something else might come along to replace it.
I get a big thrill out of working any DX on 160. CW or FT8 or SSB.
It is hard from Colorado even with fairly decent setup. I can work DX
on FT8 on days I never hear a thing on CW. You have lived your life
next to a nice salt ocean very close the population center of the USA,
not to mention how close you are to so many other countries. Topband
for you is very different than the Topband I have. Working states is
similar to your working DX in Germany or Sweden and even Africa and
parts of the middle East.
It saddens me that owner of this list has similar views to yours
Roger. Tree was one of the guys I looked up to as a young contester.
He was one of the first to push the envelope with a Sweepstakes Robot
and really helped with log checking and so many other advancement in
Contesting and the hobby. It is sad that some can't be accepting of
what others do. It is sad that we had to create another list because
people could not be civil.
73,
W0MU
It's easy to appreciate why many people - who are passionate about
the hobby
- get upset about some of the things they see as being very negative
to the
hobby.
Here in Britain there were LOTS of well-respected Amateurs who were
actively
involved in Jamming the VHF Repeaters when they first came on the air
in the
1970s. I would never have done such a thing, but I appreciated why those
people were concerned about it having a negative effect on the hobby.
People could now not bother to put up a decent antenna for 2m, yet work
stations 50 miles away.
However, most new amateurs that did that very quickly got bored with the
hobby, as there was no sense of achievement, no reason to
self-improve . . .
and disappeared off the air. Those that got the satisfaction of working
stations further away through their own efforts were usually the ones
that
sustained interest in the hobby.
(It's interesting that there is almost NO activity on the various
Repeaters
here in Britain these days . . . which kind of confirms my point!)
I think it's the same logic that many of us apply to the computer-based
modes/protocols . . . that there is no skill involved, and so no real
sense
of achievement, like there is when puling a really weak DX station
out of
the noise . . . with the result that those people will very soon lose
interest in the hobby.
So those of you who are so keen on them, please at least understand our
motives . . . it's because of our passion for the hobby that we are
against
these computer-based modes . . . in the same way as I personally am
against
VHF Repeaters or accessing remote Transmitting or even Receiving sites.
Roger G3YRO
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