Lloyd - I may have overstated but did so to make the point that the Mode is
sufficiently different from others that it and companion modes should have a
separate award category and not lumped in with the current ones. - Alan K9MBQ
-----Original Message-----
>From: Lloyd - N9LB <lloydberg@charter.net>
>Sent: Aug 2, 2019 7:57 PM
>To: topband@contesting.com
>Subject: Re: Topband: 160
>
>Alan, respectfully, it doesn’t sound like you ever looked at Joe Taylor's WSJT
>program and you do not understand the facts of FT8.
>
>Operators can NOT "walk away and not participate in making QSOs" as the
>program is written. Yes, a very small number of people have hacked W1JT's
>program to run continuously, but 99.99% of the FT8 users are human and
>actively involved in making the QSO.
>
>WSJT/FT8 is very similar to the popular MMTTY RTTY program - click on a
>decoded call displayed on the screen to enter that call into the program and
>click on a button to start calling.
>
>To use WSJT/FT8 you must:
>Select mode of operation
>Set up eight menu screens,
>Type of decode,
>Select initial RX and TX frequencies ( simplex or split, and what split )
>Deal with QRM / interference / use your skill to QSY around the band segment
>as conditions
>And that does not include all the usual stuff: selecting the band, select the
>antenna, aim the antenna, set power, etc.
>
>Here is link to "WSJT-X - FT8 and Beyond", the Keynote Speech of Joe Taylor,
>K1JT, 21 June 2019 at the Friedrichshafen Hamvention.
>http://dokufunk.org/amateur_radio/contributions/?CID=9458#A28986
>
>Shall we also disqualify CW ops who use memory keyers and CW decoders? Nope
>
>Shall we also disqualify phone ops who use voice recorders or synthesized
>voices or voice recognition programs? Nope
>
>It is all just new technology - get used to change! Change is inevitable.
>
>73
>
>Lloyd - N9LB
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Alan Swinger
>Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 4:22 PM
>To: rich_k7zv@gphilltop.com; Harald Rester <harryrester@gmx.de>
>Cc: topband@contesting.com
>Subject: Re: Topband: 160
>
>Below is Letter for QST on this subject that may (or not) be published FYI.
>Glad to hear AA1K back calling CQ on CW in the AM. I am there too looking for
>CW DX. - 73, Alan K9MBQ
>
> If Hams who use WSJT/FT modes enjoy using them, by all means do so.
>However, I strongly disagree with and object to the fact that QSOs made in
>these modes count for DXCC Digital awards in the same way as RTTY, PSK, etc
>do. Since FT8 operators can walk away and not participate in QSOs, and come
>back after some other activity and see how many new countries and QSOs that
>the computer made, this is unlike Digital modes where operators must remain
>engaged to make QSOs. Therefore, seems to me that such Computer-generated
>contacts should have a separate category in the current award systems since
>the operators are not directly involved in making the QSOs . . . call it
>Computer-Aided Digital or something more clever. No argument that skill is
>required to set up a station to make FT-8 contacts, but a different set than
>what those of us who work DXCC, Challenge, etc use on CW, RTTY, and SSB,
>including those towers, expensive equipment, skills, and years of hard work to
>get the new ones when there was NO FT-8 or similar modes!
>So, I do not be begrudge the new low signal computer-aided modes, nor do I
>cast aspersions on the Ops who enjoy using them . . . even though I am
>unlikely to join their ranks, but the Ham community should not penalize those
>of us who used non-FT modes to get our hard earned awards by giving an unfair
>advantage to a new technology. We (Ham Radio) need the New Technology, but
>these modes are sufficiently different in many ways from the older modes that
>justifies a separate category in the award spectrum. Therefore, I urge the
>ARRL and the CQ Magazine leadership to establish a Digital award category that
>is separate and different from the current DXCC et al Digital criteria.
>Alan Swinger K9MBQ
>Charlottesville, VA
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: rich_k7zv@gphilltop.com
>>Sent: Aug 2, 2019 4:22 PM
>>To: Harald Rester <harryrester@gmx.de>
>>Cc: topband@contesting.com
>>Subject: Re: Topband: 160
>>
>>As ham radio changes there will remain at least a niche for CW, SSB,
>>and RTTY and it's competitions. FT8 will supplement the bands , not
>>supplant it, IMO. Do you think FT8, FT4 and whatever digital modes come
>>along are the future or will something else take its place? Who
>>knows... time and technology moves on. Maybe it might attract some of
>>the Millennials to fill in the void by us Baby Boomers who will all too soon
>>be making.
>>Let's set a good example for them to follow.
>>
>>Rich K7ZV
>>
>>
>>On 2019-08-02 12:42 pm, Harald Rester wrote:
>>> Think about the time *we all *could have been on the air, while
>>> staring at our screens, typing and reading. I make QSY to the shack - Hpe
>>> CU!
>>>
>>> Harry, DH1NBE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 02.08.2019 um 21:26 schrieb uy0zg:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not propose stopping the FT8.
>>>>
>>>> just compete with each other.
>>>>
>>>> But keep in mind - Arnold will be the first -)):
>>>>
>>>> https://www.alamy.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-terminator-2-judgment-da
>>>> y-1991-image66516208.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Nick, UY0ZG
>>>> http://www.topband.in.ua
>>>>
>>>> W0MU Mike Fatchett писал 2019-08-02 21:52:
>>>>> Ah so all FT8 users are cheaters. Does that mean that all Russian
>>>>> hams use way more power than they should and their scores should
>>>>> not count either?
>>>>>
>>>>> The real issue here is change. Ham radio has been in constant
>>>>> motion and change since it started and I hope in continues that way
>>>>> well after we are dead.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we better stop FT8 and protect VE1ZZ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry no.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good day.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/2/2019 12:45 PM, uy0zg wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello, Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is how the world works so that humanity always has moral
>>>>>> values.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They must be protected.
>>>>>> Example:
>>>>>> in a few years, 334 VE1ZZ countries will lose their value. His
>>>>>> achievements will be eaten by computer programs and robots ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is right ?
>>>>>> Will there be many talents at 160 meters like Jack?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will not be !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the contrary - more and more stupidity and envy....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Nick, UY0ZG
>>>>>> http://www.topband.in.ua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> W0MU Mike Fatchett писал 2019-08-02 18:24:
>>>>>>> Cheating is cheating. How many people used remote stations,
>>>>>>> exceeded their power limits, etc. Singling out a mode because
>>>>>>> you are upset that it has taken away activity in your preferred
>>>>>>> mode is not helpful to the hobby. Not everyone that use FT8
>>>>>>> cheats. Not everyone that uses a amp that exceeds their legal
>>>>>>> limit uses it in that fashion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How can you guarantee that everyone on the "Honor Role" was 100
>>>>>>> percent honorable or even anyone that got DXCC did it right? You
>>>>>>> can't so please stop singling out a mode you don't care for. We
>>>>>>> get it. Move on. It is here. Just like the Reverse beacon,
>>>>>>> packet cluster, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are all hams enjoying many aspects of the hobby. Can't we get
>>>>>>> along?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> W0MU
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