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Re: Topband: 160m antenna help

To: "'Paul Mclaren'" <paul.mcl@gmail.com>, "'Topband'" <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: 160m antenna help
From: "Clive GM3POI" <clive@gm3poi.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 21:47:30 -0000
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Paul we know your problem is that the ground losses with your system are 
probably at least twice what they would be with less radial issues. Removing 
the L and making it a T would gain you the most. You just do not need any 
horizontal polarisation.

How high is the end of the L? The higher the better and a T better still.  73 
Clive GM3POI

 

From: Paul Mclaren [mailto:paul.mcl@gmail.com] 
Sent: 21 September 2018 21:28
To: Clive GM3POI; 'Topband'
Subject: RE: Topband: 160m antenna help

 

Clive, Stan,


I had followed the thread the other day but wasn’t 100% sure if the answer was 
the same as my analyser reading were quite a bit different.

 

All points noted so will try the hairpin and see what that reports back.

 

I am getting out and working stations just want to do it a bit better or at 
least make sure I am doing the best I can manage.

 

Regards

Paul

MM0ZBH

 

From: Clive GM3POI <mailto:clive@gm3poi.com> 
Sent: 21 September 2018 22:14
To: 'Topband' <mailto:topband@contesting.com> 
Subject: Re: Topband: 160m antenna help

 

Paul this was covered a few days ago. Aim to resonate the L  at approx.

1.9mhz then put a hairpin coil across the feed point, somewhere in the

region of 2.5 microhenries. Then if needed adjust the horizontal  part of

the L and the coil.  I used a variable inductance to get the needed value

here with a 20m vertical and two top loading wires. Then replaced the

correct adjusted coil value with a fixed coil.

If you have room for a T even if its inverted that would be better to save

unwanted horizontal polarisation from your L.

If you need further info send me an email off ref'    73 Clive GM3POI 

 

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From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Paul

Mclaren

Sent: 21 September 2018 20:24

To: wa5rtg@gmail.com; Topband

Subject: Re: Topband: 160m antenna help

 

Stan,

 

Thanks and another daft question.....what sort of wire would recommend for

the coil?

 

Regards

 

Paul MM0ZBH

 

On Fri, 21 Sep 2018, 21:20 Stan Stockton, <wa5rtg@gmail.com> wrote:

 

> Paul,

> 

> The antenna is too short since you want to operate at 1825.  Make it

> longer by about four feet.

> 

> Then wind a coil that will probably have 20-30 turns of wire and maybe 3

> inches diameter and connect one end to the bottom of the antenna and the

> other end to your radials.

> 

> You will have to experiment with the number if turns on this hairpin but

> you are trying to bring the R up to about 50 where you will see a nearly

> perfect match.

> 

> 73...Stan, K5GO/ZF9CW

> 

> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 3:07 PM Paul Mclaren <paul.mcl@gmail.com> wrote:

> 

>> Looking for the advice of the experienced hams for what if anything I

>> should do to make my 160m inverted L more efficient.   Being realistic I

>> am

>> limited as I have a postage stamp garden so can't really lay more radials

>> or change much beyond the inverted L.  I guess the question is would some

>> sort of match at the base help?

>> 

>> Antenna is inverted L with 18m vertical section

>> 

>> Radials are approx 40 x 10m lengths and a layer of copper mesh out to

>> about

>> 5 metres from the base as well.

>> 

>> Using my RigExpert AA30 analyser the readings are:

>> 

>> Usual TX frequency:

>> 

>> Freq 1825khz:    SWR: 2.6, R33ohm, X 31ohm, Z 44ohm, L: 2700nH

>> 

>> 

>> Lowest SWR is:

>> 

>> Freq 1882kHz:   SWR 1.7, R72.5ohm, X20.5ohm, Z77ohm, L: 1900nH

>> 

>> I'll be honest and confess I don't fully understand how to best optimise

>> the antenna and what "good" looks like particularly on the low bands.

>> 

>> Help please and thanks in advance.

>> 

>> Regards

>> 

>> Paul MM0ZBH

>> 

>> The antenna works but no

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