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Re: Topband: Straws in the wind, continued or, "Where's the DX?"

To: Brian Pease <bpease2@myfairpoint.net>
Subject: Re: Topband: Straws in the wind, continued or, "Where's the DX?"
From: "John Harden, D.M.D." <jhdmd@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2018 12:26:55 -0400
List-post: <mailto:topband@contesting.com>
Nice opening to VK this morning from Atlanta after SR.

Luke was equally strong on Hi Z 8 and Waller Flag at 95 ft.

73,

John, W4NU

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 1, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Brian Pease <bpease2@myfairpoint.net> wrote:
> 
> In my experience (sine 1957) casual CW DX contacts have nearly always been 
> RST, QTH, Name, and for a long QSO maybe Rig.  A memory keyer can do most of 
> TX, and nowadays there are fairly good CW decoders.  Not much different from 
> other digital modes.
> It seems to me that most of the thrill of DX is when the DX first returns 
> your call.  Soon you are ready to move on to another conquest.
> Contacts between friends are an entirely different matter.
> 
>> On 4/1/2018 9:20 AM, Jeff Blaine wrote:
>> There is good and bad with the FT8.
>> 
>> The good is that it is bringing guys into the HF DX realm who never got 
>> active in DX because for whatever reason they felt they did not have a good 
>> DX station.  The bad is that the focus on RTTY (my favorite mode) has become 
>> less especially for DXpeditions in favor of the idea of FT8.  The logic 
>> behind these varies with the guy - but I think after the excitement and 
>> shine of FT8 wears off, the net will be still more total participants in HF. 
>>  That's got to be a good thing.
>> 
>> I don't feel bad for the dxpedition community especially wanting to promote 
>> FT8 over RTTY.  Working a RTTY pileup on the dxpedition end can result in 
>> pathetic rates and there has been no effort to promote a multi-slot skimmer 
>> type of software package that would make RTTY pileup into the high rate that 
>> is possible.  Along comes FT8 with the promise to do just that in an 
>> upcoming package so I view the dxpedition guys moving to FT8 as a logical 
>> choice over RTTY simply because it will end up having a higher rate than 
>> what most RTTY runs end up being.  I don't run FT8 at the moment but if a 
>> dxpedition is only running FT8 for the digital slot, I guess I will run it.  
>> The genie is out of the bottle there.
>> 
>> It would certainly help if the ARRL especially had not homogenize the RTTY 
>> and all other digital modes into one for the purpose of the DXCC.  Why not 
>> issue separate certificates for each popular mode and benefit from the fees 
>> that would bring to the ARRL?  That would also make a lot of guys who have 
>> worked their life's for the RTTY DXCC count not feel as if the 
>> accomplishment is being diluted by FT8 and the other ether-modes.  But the 
>> ARRL's decisions more and more defy logic so I suppose that's a topic for 
>> another day.
>> 
>> But for contesting and rag chewing and DX, I'm in the camp as the other 
>> traditionalists are - the op on the end talking into the mic, slapping the 
>> paddle or typing to try to keep up with the RTTY feed is what a real QSO is 
>> about.  FT8 does result in a technical QSO but I'm not sure where the 
>> sustained enjoyment in that mode is beyond making the contact.
>> 
>> 73/jeff/ac0c
>> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
>> www.ac0c.com
>> 
>>> On 01-Apr-18 7:49 PM, Stan Stockton wrote:
>>> Some questions in my mind.
>>> 
>>> How important is RF in the evolution of amateur radio? Would those who 
>>> operate using FT8 be a lot less interested if it were just computers 
>>> linking them with others without transmitted RF? How about operator 
>>> involvement or skill?
>>> 
>>> How important is it that hams retain 4 MHz of spectrum on 6m or other bands 
>>> if most everyone has abandoned CW and SSB?
>>> 
>>> Is there some sense of achievement when there is so much headroom in power 
>>> alone that another 3 dB or even another 20 dB is so easy to achieve?
>>> 
>>> About 50% of my enjoyment of the hobby is thinking, many hours of every 
>>> day, about how to somehow achieve another dB on some band or another with a 
>>> better antenna.  After about 50 hours of modeling I am now drilling tubing 
>>> to make what I hope will be a great pair of tribanders to take to ZF9CW 
>>> location.  One person's total waste of time is another's passion.
>>> 
>>> To each his own, but for the long term future of what has provided so many 
>>> of us with a lifetime of enjoyment, woe is me.
>>> 
>>> 73... Stan, K5GO
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