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Re: Topband: Rules vs. Ethics (was Brave New World)

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Subject: Re: Topband: Rules vs. Ethics (was Brave New World)
From: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:02:43 -0700
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I am still waiting for a real case scenario where remote radio has harmed or damaged someone, somehow........

You are confusing ethical and moral.

There is nothing unethical either. It is condoned by the ARRL. It is not how it used to be done. So what? Everything evolves and changes.

Unethical is using more power than legally allowed. Using multiple operators and claiming single op. Using remote receivers, claiming to be operating from a country you are not in, rubber clocking, using packet when you shouldn't and on and on and on. We don't we get on the people that we know for fact use excessive power? Wink wink.

Just because you or I believe something might be unethical or immoral does not make it so.

We don't have to like the changes. Why don't we just say that and leave off all the bs associated with it?

The ARRL is in the business of selling awards. This lets more people work toward their awards. It does not affect your DXCC or award one way or another.

Mike W0MU
On 2/26/2015 2:45 PM, Larry Burke wrote:
Except it is not an ABUSE of the rules.  People feel that it is an abuse
but it is fully sanctioned by the ARRL.

Jim stated as much in the note to which you are replying.

What is in play here is the difference between laws/rules and ethics. Just
because something is "legal" does not make it ethical.  Adultery is not a
crime in 29 states of the United States or most of the industrialized world.
Is it therefore ethical? Is it ethical to click between remotes on the east
and west coast because DXCC rules permit it? Throwing their hands up, the
League is leaving the answer to the last question up to the individual
operator. Why, if such operations are so ethically pure would one commercial
remote business advertise "completely anonymous operation"? The very nature
of the wording suggests their service is the ham radio version of the
No-Tell Motel.

With regards to the "how I got my award shouldn't matter to anyone else",
I'd argue that the operator on the "other end" of an unethical contact can
be affected. There's a fair chance that he is pursuing an award as well. An
operator in EU pursuing WAS (or VUCC on 6m) may work a W7 who is using a
remote -- commercial or otherwise -- and does not indicate the location of
the actual transmitter. The EU op goes away thinking he worked Oregon. Lo
and behold the LoTW match or paper card shows up and "confirms" he did.
There are a couple of west coast stations who routinely use east coast
remotes to work EU on 6m and use their home state and grid square in the
exchange. A savvy op on the "other end" can often tell if the exchange is
legit, but there are strange spotlight openings on that band, just as there
are on Topband. These ethical lapses are not entirely victimless.

Larry K5RK

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