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Re: Topband: Skywave vs. Earth Conductivity

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Subject: Re: Topband: Skywave vs. Earth Conductivity
From: "K1FZ-Bruce" <k1fz@myfairpoint.net>
Reply-to: k1fz@myfairpoint.net
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:53:29 -0500
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Low band hams are very aware of "sea gain" minimum salt water attenuation at low angles. The signal will not  produce a perfect circle as the posting shows.
73
Bruce-K1FZ
www.qsl.net/k1fz/beveragenotes.html

On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:35:28 -0500, Bill Whitacre <bw@his.com> wrote:
Perhaps FCC models don't take account of 'sea gain?' ITU models do, as I recall.

Bill Whitacre
Alexandria, VA

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> On Feb 13, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Richard Fry <rfry@adams.net> wrote:
> > From my reading of posts on many "ham" boards, the prevailing thoughts are that the nighttime skywave field intensity received from a vertical monopole is dependent on earth conductivity -- as well as on frequency, radiated power, path length, and atmospheric conditions. > > The plot linked below applies to the skywave from WFAN, a New York City station on 660 kHz using 50 kW/24-7 and an omni vertical radiator. It shows the FCC 0.25 mV/m RMS contour for the skywave received 50% of the time, six hours after sunset in NYC. > > There is no visible/useful difference in the radius to that contour over the ocean than over the land. > > This plot doesn't appear to be supported by a NEC far-field analysis of such a system -- on which (apparently) most hams base their conclusions about the skywave coverage potential of a vertical monopole for given values of earth conductivity. > > One reason for this difference is that NEC far-field calculations apply to ~infinite distances over a flat ground plane. > > Just wondering what thoughts others have on this subject. > > http://s20.postimg.org/f1z0o2e7h/WFAN_Skywave.gif
> > R. Fry, CPBE
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