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Re: Topband: Ferrite Common Mode Chokes

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Subject: Re: Topband: Ferrite Common Mode Chokes
From: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Reply-to: Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 11:25:26 -0400
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I don't know what you are talking about Jim, are you talking about core internal resonance? If so, I'm not talking about that.

Not quite.. A strong resistive component is present only around resonance, and the resonance of a single pass through a #31 or #43 core is in the range of 150 - 300 MHz, depending on the dimensions of the core. This is clearly shown by Fair-Rite data sheets.

The Fair-rite data sheets show the reactance of that material and the resistance crossing at about 3 MHz. This is completely independent of the number of turns.

For example, a 73 material loss tangent and reactance crosses near the top of 160 meters. If I take ANY 73 mix core and measure conductor impedance going through a core window, with external leads calibrated out, R and X will be equal (Q=1 ) at the high end of 160. This means the core contributes equal parts reactance and resistance at that frequency, with resistance progressively increasing in proportion to reactance (Q lowering below 1) higher up.

43 materials have a Q=1 around mid HF.

If I have a choke that is 100 j100 and worse case series tune the core with 0 -j100 from common mode impedance, the result is 100 j0.

I just don't follow what you are saying, because defeating the choke can only happen if resistance is low.

This is some cores people have used for many years actually DO work, and a certain mix (and authoritatively dictated impedance) is absolutely not a requirement. I've worked with this stuff daily for 30-40 years, and the first thing I look at in broadband systems is core Q=1 frequency. This is where loss and reactance cross. It is also how I sort cores, and verify a core is labeled correctly. Many of us would be surprised at the number of cores that get mis-sorted or mislabeled in distribution. I've seen bags of 100's of 73 mix cores, from normal good distribution, that were 61 or 43.

73 Tom


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