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Re: [TenTec] wither CW?

To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>, "N4PY2" <n4py2@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] wither CW?
From: "Nathan Moreschi" <n4ydu@yahoo.com>
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Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 07:03:06 -0400
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Phil,

There's a natural scoring difference for people who need that much 
assitance. Those people simply do not have the skill required to be even 
remotely competitive, therefore their scores will reflect that.

73,

Nate/N4YDU
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Chambley Sr." <k4dpk@comcast.net>
To: "N4PY2" <n4py2@earthlink.net>; "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" 
<tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] wither CW?


>
>
> Possibly I didn't clarify my point to the extent necessary.  I have 
> nothing
> against the use of keyers, bugs (I use both) or even keyboards for 
> sending.
>
>
>
> But nowadays one can find a DX station's frequency on a cluster, have the
> computer copy him and then press a button to send a canned transmission, 
> and
> do all this without being able to copy his own name at 5 wpm.  These are 
> the
> ones to which I referred, and I think there should be a scoring difference
> for those, compared to folks who actually do know the code at whatever
> level.
>
>
>
> It bothers me to hear someone say he worked  a station on CW, when in fact
> he can't copy or send at any speed.
>
>
>
> Phil C. Sr.
>
> k4dpk
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "N4PY2" <n4py2@earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] wither CW?
>
>
>> Nobody that is at all serious about contesting uses a straight key.  I
>> know
>> many contesters, many who are highly skilled at CW.  They all use keyers
>> with memories to send their CQ's and copy in their heads to get the 
>> QSO's.
>> All these people can easily copy CW at 40+ wpm in their heads.  The 
>> keyers
>> are just a mechanism to send the CW with.  It is almost impossible to 
>> send
>> CW at 20 wpm or higher with a straight key.  They do not use code 
>> readers.
>> Code readers are useless during typical QRM during a contest.
>>
>> Carl Moreschi N4PY
>> 121 Little Bell Drive
>> Hays, NC 28635
>> www.n4py.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Richards" <jruing@ameritech.net>
>> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] wither CW?
>>
>>
>>>I don't want to hijack the thread or cause a flame war,  but I agree
>>> with the notion there should be more points awarded to contesters
>>> (contestants?) who actually pound out the code with their fist, and who
>>> do not use electronic keyers to generate transmitted code.  I thank we
>>> should reward the operator for HIS skill, not that of his computer.  I
>>> know this would slow the pace, and reduce the number of contacts,  but
>>> it would be the operator, and not his computer at work.   If contests,
>>> like field day, are to simulate high pressure, need to operate NOW,
>>> scenarios, then  he would need to have his own ability to pound the
>>> brass, as a computer may not be available. I don't use a voice keyer on
>>> SSB contests for the same reason.  If I can't talk for 24 hours, and the
>>> other guy can, he deserves to win.
>>>
>>> And, parenthetically, I'm finding this code thing terribly difficult  to
>>> learn!
>>> But I will get there, eventually...
>>>
>>>
>>> Just my take....
>>>
>>> Happy trails.
>>>
>>> ====================  Richards - K8JHR ====================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/24/2010 4:56 PM, Jim Brown K9YC wrote:
>>>
>>>> Virtually ALL serious contesters use computers to SEND CW,
>>>> but the vast majority I know of use the computer between
>>>> his/her ears to COPY it.
>>>>
>>>
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