God was good to have given you a ham son , I know I have one too ! John
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----- Original Message -----
From: "N4PY2" <n4py2@earthlink.net>
To: "Phil Chambley Sr." <k4dpk@comcast.net>
Cc: "tentec" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] wither CW?
> Yes, it is a different category and you only compete against other people
> that are doing the same thing.
> My son, N4YDU, is a big contester and keeps me informed on things like
> this.
>
> Carl Moreschi N4PY
> 121 Little Bell Dr
> Hays, NC 28635
> www.n4py.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Chambley Sr." <k4dpk@comcast.net>
> To: "N4PY2" <n4py2@earthlink.net>; "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment"
> <tentec@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] wither CW?
>
>
>> I'm not a contester, Carl.
>>
>> Is there actually such a category? Is there a difference in reward?
>>
>> Phil C. Sr.
>> k4dpk
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "N4PY2" <n4py2@earthlink.net>
>> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 9:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] wither CW?
>>
>>
>>> If you use CW skimmer or the packet cluster in a contest, that puts you
>>> in a
>>> different category called "assisted".
>>>
>>> Carl Moreschi N4PY
>>> 121 Little Bell Dr
>>> Hays, NC 28635
>>> www.n4py.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "John Graves" <jh.graves@verizon.net>
>>> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 9:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] wither CW?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not to be combative but.....
>>>>
>>>> why is different than someone using cw skimmer along with an automated
>>>> contest program so the only code involved 99% of the time is which
>>>> function key needs to pushed. I will admit that a very high percentage
>>>> of contesters can copy the code and are utilizing technology to
>>>> increase
>>>> the score. If you allow one then why not the other? I don't believe
>>>> that the rules require anyone to actually copy the code by hand.
>>>>
>>>> John / WA1JG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Phil Chambley Sr. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly I didn't clarify my point to the extent necessary. I have
>>>>> nothing
>>>>> against the use of keyers, bugs (I use both) or even keyboards for
>>>>> sending.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But nowadays one can find a DX station's frequency on a cluster, have
>>>>> the
>>>>> computer copy him and then press a button to send a canned
>>>>> transmission,
>>>>> and
>>>>> do all this without being able to copy his own name at 5 wpm. These
>>>>> are
>>>>> the
>>>>> ones to which I referred, and I think there should be a scoring
>>>>> difference
>>>>> for those, compared to folks who actually do know the code at whatever
>>>>> level.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It bothers me to hear someone say he worked a station on CW, when in
>>>>> fact
>>>>> he can't copy or send at any speed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil C. Sr.
>>>>>
>>>>> k4dpk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "N4PY2" <n4py2@earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] wither CW?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody that is at all serious about contesting uses a straight key.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> many contesters, many who are highly skilled at CW. They all use
>>>>>> keyers
>>>>>> with memories to send their CQ's and copy in their heads to get the
>>>>>> QSO's.
>>>>>> All these people can easily copy CW at 40+ wpm in their heads. The
>>>>>> keyers
>>>>>> are just a mechanism to send the CW with. It is almost impossible to
>>>>>> send
>>>>>> CW at 20 wpm or higher with a straight key. They do not use code
>>>>>> readers.
>>>>>> Code readers are useless during typical QRM during a contest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carl Moreschi N4PY
>>>>>> 121 Little Bell Drive
>>>>>> Hays, NC 28635
>>>>>> www.n4py.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Richards" <jruing@ameritech.net>
>>>>>> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:22 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] wither CW?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't want to hijack the thread or cause a flame war, but I agree
>>>>>>> with the notion there should be more points awarded to contesters
>>>>>>> (contestants?) who actually pound out the code with their fist, and
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> do not use electronic keyers to generate transmitted code. I thank
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> should reward the operator for HIS skill, not that of his computer.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> know this would slow the pace, and reduce the number of contacts,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> it would be the operator, and not his computer at work. If
>>>>>>> contests,
>>>>>>> like field day, are to simulate high pressure, need to operate NOW,
>>>>>>> scenarios, then he would need to have his own ability to pound the
>>>>>>> brass, as a computer may not be available. I don't use a voice keyer
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> SSB contests for the same reason. If I can't talk for 24 hours, and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> other guy can, he deserves to win.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, parenthetically, I'm finding this code thing terribly difficult
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> learn!
>>>>>>> But I will get there, eventually...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just my take....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Happy trails.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ==================== Richards - K8JHR ====================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/24/2010 4:56 PM, Jim Brown K9YC wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Virtually ALL serious contesters use computers to SEND CW,
>>>>>>>> but the vast majority I know of use the computer between
>>>>>>>> his/her ears to COPY it.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>> WA1JG
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