Agreed......perhaps as loggers?
Dan/W4NTI
> [Original Message]
> From: Gary McConville <wb4sq@yahoo.com>
> To: <secc@contesting.com>
> Date: 9/3/04 10:21:55 AM
> Subject: [SECC] A long post about the SECC...was:
>
> My belief is that if XYLs are included in a social events once in a
> while, they'll be more tolerable with our radio activities...
>
> Gary - WB4SQ
>
>
> --- ku8e@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
> >
> > No disrespect for W4AN, but I don't know if I really personally care
> > for the "internet only club idea" anyway. Only reason I joined SECC
> > is that it was the only club down here interested in contesting.
> > Maybe we need to "re think" this whole concept ?? Is there an
> > interest in changing ??
> >
> > I am not proposing that we have formal meetings, meeting
> > requirements or even
> > a demand that you operate so many contests or you will be kicked out
> > of the club. AA4GA is right in commenting that the formal processes
> > we do have in place are only there to meet ARRL requirements.
> >
> > What I am proposing is that are membership maybe think about having
> > activities that promote camaraderie in the club. This could include
> > rallying around a specific contest and set a goal to win the club
> > competition or have a social event such as a club FD and picnic,
> > social meeting etc.... And number one is
> > to get on an OPERATE and submit your score for SECC. Lee says this is
> > an "OPERATING club" but lately there has been a lack of that as well.
> >
> > Also, I disagree with AA4GA's comment that we could never be like
> > MRRC,SMC, etc...Those clubs have a membership that it spread out as
> > well. Look at SMC. They have members from MN,IA and as far east as
> > IN. If you look at our roster the core of our membership is in GA,
> > especially around the Atlanta area. We also have about 7 members in
> > SC , 17 in AL, of which not all are active.
> >
> >
> > Maybe my comments are out of line being on of the new people on the
> > block down here as far as contesting... My idea of having a club is
> > to promote
> > camaraderie about contesting and socialize with people who have the
> > same interest. If everyone just wants to stay at the Status Quo and
> > leave it the way it is that's fine... But I will probably not be part
> > of it...
> >
> > 73, Jeff
> >
> > >
> > > From: "Lee Hiers" <aa4ga@contesting.com>
> > > Date: 2004/09/02 Thu PM 08:20:09 EDT
> > > To: <secc@contesting.com>
> > > Subject: A long post about the SECC...was: Re: [SECC]
> > >
> > > On 2 Sep 2004 at 16:54, Jay Pryor wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree wholeheartedly that the club would benefit from
> > face-to-face
> > > > meetings and exchanges of ideas. However, it was because of the
> > every day
> > > > demands on many of us, including KU8E and others, that the club
> > was
> > > > established by W4AN (who disliked meetings) to interact with one
> > another
> > > > via the internet. Read "About Us" on the SECC web site, crafted
> > by K2UFT.
> > >
> > > That comes as close to anything to describing the character of the
> > > club as I've seen written down for posterity.
> > >
> > > I remember discussing it with W4AN and W4WA before we ever started
> > > the club. None of us were interested in any of the political BS
> > that
> > > comes with most clubs. None of us wanted regular meetings at all.
> >
> > > The whole thing was designed to take place right here on the
> > > reflector. The reflector was considered to be a continuous virtual
> >
> > > meeting.
> > >
> > > You've got a question or need some help, ask here on the reflector.
> >
> > > Contest coming up and we need some ra-ra...do it here on the
> > > reflector. You're gonna be in Huntsville for a couple days and
> > want
> > > to get together and go out for a beer with some other SECCers -
> > talk
> > > it up on the reflector.
> > >
> > > The sole reason for starting a club was to have a regional
> > > organization for which we could report scores in club competition.
> >
> > > Why? Because the only other alternative would be something like
> > the
> > > Valdosta RC, where there might be one or two or zero people
> > > interested in contests.
> > >
> > > This area of the country has never had anything like PVRC, FRC,
> > MRRC,
> > > etc. - and never will - because there just aren't that many serious
> >
> > > contesters located in a dense area that would support that.
> > >
> > > Years ago, when NQ4I moved down here, he found out there wasn't a
> > > contest club. The closest thing was the SEDXC, and there weren't a
> >
> > > lot of folks interested in contesting there really. I remember
> > going
> > > to an SEDXC meeting and when asked what I wanted to get out of the
> > > club replying that I was a contestor and mostly interested in that
> > > aspect of radio, and was looking for a place to report my
> > > scores...well, I was cold-shouldered the rest of the night, and for
> >
> > > most of the several years I was a member of that club. I enjoyed
> > > going to the club meetings when I was able and had some good
> > friends
> > > that were members of that club...most of whom were contesters to
> > one
> > > degree or another: N4RJ, N4NX, etc.
> > >
> > > Anyway, when Rick moved to GA, he realized that the SEDXC wasn't
> > > going to cut it as a contest club (I think his experience may have
> > > been a bit more intense than mine) so, he started the Dixie DXers -
> > a
> > > contest club. I have never seen anyone put as much energy in
> > trying
> > > to get a contest club going as Rick did. He came from the FRC, and
> >
> > > was super gung-ho about it. It lasted for a few years, but
> > > ultimately failed, I believe partially because Rick was really the
> > > only one pushing that club, but mostly because there just isn't a
> > > high enough density of contesters in the area to support a
> > > "traditional" club.
> > >
> > > But the ONLY activity that the SECC was designed for was score
> > > reporting - no GQP, no sponsoring of plaques, no treasury, no
> > social
> > > activities - nothing. Like John said - it is an OPERATING club.
> > > The only reason there were any in-person meetings at all was to
> > > satisfy the ARRL requirement at the time of two meetings per year.
> >
> > > And to reduce that burden even further, we decided that at each
> > > gathering of members to hold two meetings. One meeting would be
> > > called to order and with very little discussion the meeting would
> > be
> > > adjourned and a second meeting called to order, and it too would be
> >
> > > quickly adjourned with little discussion. Under the ideal
> > > circumstances, both meetings would be over and done in about two
> > > minutes. And the ARRL requirements for everyone in attendance were
> >
> > > satisfied.
> > >
> > > If you couldn't make the Atlanta Hamfest, but were going to be at
> > the
> > > Huntsville Hamfest, any two members could call a meeting, and with
> > > the two meetings in one procedure, whoever was in attendance had
> > > their ARRL requirements for attendance satisfied.
> > > Whambamthankyoumaam.
> > >
> > > Of course usually folks would hang out and talk about contesting
> > and
> > > life and generally socialize before and after the official
> > meetings,
> > > but they weren't officially part of the club activities, and the
> > > meetings weren't regularly scheduled.
> > >
> > > Now that the ARRL no longer has a 2-meetings per year requirement,
> > > there is no need for the SECC to have ANY in-person official
> > meetings
> > > AT ALL.
> > >
> > > The only requirement for membership should be the submission of a
> > > minimum of two scores per year in a contest with a club competition
> > -
> > > and I'm not sure we should really have that, although theoretically
> >
> > > it should increase the aggregate scores somewhat, so we decided to
> > > implement that at the beginning. There should be no geographic
> > > requirements for membership, although the club is designed to
> > > primarily include folks from TN, NC, AL, GA, and SC.
> > Geographically,
> > > the only restrictions should be those imposed for specific contests
> >
> > > by their sponsors. And to accommodate those contests, we selected
> > a
> > > geographical center of the club.
> > >
> > > K4SB is a stickler on the by-laws (and this isn't an attack Ed!),
> > but
> > > the honest truth of the matter is that the ONLY reason there are
> > any
> > > written by-laws at all is because the ARRL required us to submit
> > them
> > > when we applied for affiliated club status.
> > >
> > > I'm going to comment some on these quotes below:
> > >
> > > > > > From: "Tommy" <aldermant@alltel.net>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After coming back to south Georgia last year from the
> > Washington, DC area
> > > > > > and the PVRC, the Valdosta ARC is a true joke. The SECC, as
> > Jeff mentions,
> > > > > > has a very small core of active members and there seems to
> > not be much
> > > > > > effort in stimulating more activity. SECC officers seem to
> > only speak up
> > > > > > when someone tend's to 'rock the boat'! Is there any
> > leadership?
> >
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