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Re: [RFI] Portable Generator Noise

To: "Dave (NK7Z)" <dave@nk7z.net>, "rfi@contesting.com" <rfi@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Portable Generator Noise
From: Bob Turner <n2scj-lists@outlook.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 19:05:56 +0000
List-post: <mailto:rfi@contesting.com>
I have an EU3000is.  Purchased about 20 years ago.  It's both RF and AF quiet.  
 I base this upon non-scientific observations.    It went to about 8 Field Days 
(HF) and 15  VHF Mountaintopping events (VHF - Microwave).  They were both 
multi-operator events and had more than one receiver running at a time.  No one 
noticed anything.

The SMPS (converter) in my Travel Trailer does make RFI.  Fortunately it falls 
off quickly with distance.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces+n2scj-lists=outlook.com@contesting.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave (NK7Z)
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 2:30 PM
To: rfi@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RFI] Portable Generator Noise

Hi,
Anyone here using a Honda eu3000is?  Is it RFI quiet?

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 7/16/22 10:56, Steve Dyer via RFI wrote:
> Most inexpensive inverter gens are cheap for a reason.
> The Honda 2000 series is (still?) one of the few quiet inverters I 
> have been around during HF ops and the cost reflects it.
> 73,
> Steve
> 
> On 7/16/2022 10:19, David Eckhardt wrote:
>> " WEN 56235i Super Quiet 2350-Watt Portable Inverter Generator with 
>> Fuel Shut Off, CARB Compliant, Ultra Lightweight, Black"
>>
>> The problem is in this statement.  Your "generator" is not just a 
>> generator.  It is a "Portable *Inverter* Generator".  Likely, the 
>> generator by itself is relatively quiet.  But the inverter is a 
>> switch mode power supply.  ALL SMPSs are RFI sources!  You will find 
>> it extremely difficult to tame this unit wrt RFI.
>>
>> Don't stress over "grounding".  It will have minimal to no effect.
>>
>> Dave - WØLEV
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 5:30 AM Mike Fatchett W0MU <w0mu@w0mu.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I purchased a small quiet off brand 1900 watt continuous generator 
>>> with eco mode.  It generates a lot of rfi.  I used it at a POTA 
>>> activation last weekend and it was tolerable by moving the antenna 
>>> as far away from the generator as possible.   Putting it under 
>>> heavier load did not seem to make any difference nor did decreasing the 
>>> load.
>>>
>>> There is a ground lug on the unit but the forest service frowns on 
>>> people pounding in ground rods.  Is there a more portable solution 
>>> for a ground.  I have my doubts that it would change anything.  I 
>>> should try hooking it up here at home and find out.
>>>
>>>
>>> WEN 56235i Super Quiet 2350-Watt Portable Inverter Generator with 
>>> Fuel Shut Off, CARB Compliant, Ultra Lightweight, Black
>>>
>>>
>>> I did have some big clamp ons and I put them on the extension cord 
>>> and that seemed to help some.  I could only get 2 to 3 turns through 
>>> the clamp ons and I had two.  Maybe I need far more turns?  I did 
>>> not the cabling handy to hookup directly to the car battery to see 
>>> if the extension cord was the radiator or if it was all coming out 
>>> of the generator.
>>>
>>> Has anyone had any luck quieting them down?
>>>
>>> W0MU
>>>
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