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Re: [CQ-Contest] Self spot in ARRL DX

To: "wa5rtg@gmail.com" <wa5rtg@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Self spot in ARRL DX
From: Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 18:08:34 +0000
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The flaw in this argument is that many (most?) hams don't subscribe to RBN 
spots.  Self spotting on CW actually helps reach another layer or two of casual 
ops and DXers in a contest.  So arguing that using it on phone is just an 
analog for RBN is not quite true.

Self spotting is another form of calling CQ using the Internet instead of radio.

It does seem the hobby has evolved to the point where making a contact by any 
means is more fun/important than using tuning skills.  Disappointing, but it is 
what it is. On we go into the future.

Randy K5ZD

-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+k5zd=outlook.com@contesting.com> On Behalf 
Of Stan Stockton
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2024 9:48 AM
To: Henry Pollock - K4TMC <kilo4tmc@gmail.com>
Cc: cqtestk4xs@aol.com; CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Self spot in ARRL DX

I will attempt to explain the rationale. In CW contests everyone gets spotted 
automatically.  All you have to do is call CQ and if you have a signal that can 
be heard you will be spotted on the RBN. In effect you are doing something to 
cause yourself to be spotted just by calling CQ.  There is little argument that 
on CW it is perfectly fair since the existence of the RBN.

However, on phone, there is no skimmer and those people who have more friends, 
belong to bigger clubs, etc are spotted more often than the other people.  If 
everyone has the ability to self spot it doesn't put them in the assisted 
category any more than being automatically spotted on the RBN puts those 
operators in the assisted category.  However, it makes it so those who are 
using assistance have equal access to everyone who is calling CQ.

Stan, K5GO

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:28 AM Henry Pollock - K4TMC <kilo4tmc@gmail.com>
wrote:

> So...there is really no "unassisted" category anymore, right?
>
> Wait a minute...I just looked at the latest ARRL International DX
> Contest Rules, Categories for ARRL International DX Contest, Version
> 2.0 - 04 Jan 2024, Entry Categories For ARRL DX (page 4 of 11), which
> shows No Spotting Assistance for SO and SOSB (reference HCAT.1.1 and 
> HCAT.3.2.1).
>
> The term "self-spotting" is not addressed.  However, on page 11, there
> is a whole paragraph on the definition (Version 1.05, 10 Feb 2022) of
> "Spotting/QSO Finding Assistance" that ends with this sentence:
> "Generating spotting information for use by other stations is not
> considered to be spotting assistance". So, does this include self-spotting?
>
> 73,
> Henry - K4TMC
> (always unassisted and no spotting)
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 9:23 PM Stan Stockton <wa5rtg@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, it is allowed for all participants in all categories.
>>
>> Stan, K5GO/ZF9CW
>>
>> > On Feb 1, 2024, at 9:14 PM, cqtestk4xs--- via CQ-Contest <
>> cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I know self spotting is now allowed in ARRL DX if you are
>> > assisted. Is
>> it also allowed for UNASSISTED?
>> > Bill V31XX/K4XS
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