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Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL DX CW Results - Did Anyone Else Notice?

To: Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL DX CW Results - Did Anyone Else Notice?
From: "Naumann, Robert, W5OV via CQ-Contest" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Reply-to: "Naumann, Robert, W5OV" <W5OV@arrl.org>
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 01:49:16 +0000
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Randy,

As you and W2GD are original sponsors of that forum, your question is specious.

You said: “my arrl voice” “whatever that is” ?? Really?  As a sponsor of My 
ARRL Voice, that’s what you say?

You have even more nerve than I have ever imagined.  And, I have a considerable 
imagination.

The reality is that French St. Martin is the only authority that matters here 
despite claims of outsiders.

The FCC has no jurisdiction over any operations in French St. Martin despite 
the false claims made earlier.

We consulted with the FCC on this specific matter.

Unless French St. Martin finds the operation illegal, on what basis should the 
ARRL take action?

I hope all ARRL contest entrants find comfort that ARRL contests are 
adjudicated without consideration of specious personal opinions.

73,

Bob W5OV
ARRL




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From: Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2023 8:49:51 PM
To: Naumann, Robert, W5OV <W5OV@arrl.org>
Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL DX CW Results - Did Anyone Else Notice?

I think it is a legitimate question. ARRL did accept the operation, but your 
response below doesn’t indicate that you had the proof either.

We either accept the regulations for amateur radio in whatever country we are 
operating from or we accept that there are no rules.

What does my arrl voice (whatever that is) have to do with this topic?

Randy K5ZD

> On Aug 19, 2023, at 7:40 PM, Naumann, Robert, W5OV via CQ-Contest 
> <cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Please provide any proof that French St. Martin has disallowed this operation.
>
> If you have no proof, please stop making false accusations.
>
> This is not "My ARRL Voice" where lies are accepted without any proof.
>
> 73,
> Bob W5OV
>
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>  on behalf of John Crovelli <w2gd@hotmail.com<mailto:w2gd@hotmail.com>>
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2023 12:56:19 PM
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com> 
> <cq-contest@contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] ARRL DX CW Results - Did Anyone Else Notice?
>
>
> The 2023 ARRL DX CW results show FS/KO1A (IZ3EYZ) winning the SOAB Low Power 
> category over VP2V/AA7V.  What caught my eye was a non-US citizen using a 
> US/FCC issued callsign operating from a French possession.  Was that allowed 
> under CEPT?
>
> I looked into this further.  Under CEPT Recommendation TR/61 as amended 
> (https://www.arrl.org/files/file/Reciprocal%20operating%20forms/TR6101.pdf ) 
> the CEPT rules specify an operator from a CEPT country must use the callsign 
> assigned in his or her home country when invoking a CEPT authorization in a 
> CEPT country. Both Italy and France are CEPT participants.  In this case 
> TR/61 says using FS/IZ3EYZ would be compliant.
>
> USA CEPT rules (see https://www.arrl.org/cept) say a non-US citizen may use a 
> US issued callsign only while operating in the US or from a US Territory.  
> IZ3EYZ is not a US Citizen yet he used his US/FCC issued call while operating 
> outside the US (on French St. Martin).
>
> It seems highly unlikely the French Government granted him special 
> authorization to use a US issued callsign on French Saint Martin in lieu of 
> his Italian call.  He could have applied for a "TO" call and been totally 
> legal.
>
> So the questions:  Was the use of FS/KO1A for this ARRL DX CW operation legal 
> under US CEPT rules governing the use of a US issued call?   If not a 
> legitimate use of his US call, should the operator have been awarded first 
> place over VP2V/AA7V in the results?  If we agree use of an unauthorized 
> callsign took place,  should the operation be assigned check log status or be 
> disqualified under ARRL DX rules?   And one more question, should the 
> contacts made with FS/KO1A be given credit under the DXCC program if the 
> callsign was in fact unauthorized?
>
> Regards,
>
> John, W2GD/P44W
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