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MANY Thanks, George K5KG/DL
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: A Peek at Next Weekend's WRTC2018 (Jack Brindle)
2. Re: WRTC Qualifying (Jeff Clarke)
3. Re: WRTC Qualifying (Jeff Clarke)
4. WRTC which contests qualify (cqtestk4xs@aol.com)
5. Re: WRTC Qualifying (cqtestk4xs@aol.com)
6. Re: WRTC which contests qualify (Chris Hurlbut)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2018 09:47:26 -0700
From: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle@me.com>
To: David Siddall <hhamwv@gmail.com>
Cc: cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] A Peek at Next Weekend's WRTC2018
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This needs to be corrected. 30,000,000 is 30 Megawatts, not Gigawatts.
We really don?t want to look stupid in all these press releases!
73,
Jack, W6FB
On Jul 8, 2018, at 5:20 AM, David Siddall <hhamwv@gmail.com> wrote:
There also will be two special broadcasts of WRTC news and information on
shortwave, as I posted yesterday. These broadcasts will use 30 GIGAWATTS
(30,000,000 watts) ERP (300 KW > 20dB antenna)! Sat. July 14 @ 11-1200 UTC
and Sun. July 15 @ 0900 UTC, both on 6.070 MHz and 13.860 MHz (best for
North America).
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 17:09:00 -0400
From: Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Qualifying
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Oh C'Mon!!? An east coast station complaining about their propagation ??
You got to be kidding right? You really don't realize how well you have
it compared to the rest of the country. Only a handful of stations
outside the East Coast ever make the top ten box in any category of a DX
contest. Come down and operate where I live and you will appreciate what
you have. I could probably put up a bunch of big towers and beams and
K1AR would still beat me with his wires !! :)
Jeff KU8E
On 7/8/2018 11:52 AM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Robert,
In the USA I have operated from Florida, Arkansas and Texas and remotely
from California.
The difference between NJ and Maine, NH or Vermont can be quite
significant.
Yes up here it is better than the west coast but in contesting to work
Europe the more North Easterly you are, the better because the band stays
open longer.
73
Ria, N2RJ
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:09 AM robert f beaudoin <wa1fcn@charter.net> wrote:
GM Ria
Maybe you have never operated from outside the NorthEast
USA, but I find it
hard to sympathize with your comment about you as a W2 station
having a geographic
disadvantage against W1 land. Your QTH in N. J. what is that
100 miles from W1 land ?
I guess all things are relative but I sure wish I had your
disadvantage.
73 and GM from from Alabama WA1FCN
On 7/7/2018 8:49 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
I?m looking at my case. Under the current criteria I have not a shot in
hell. Mostly because I?m competing with W1 who has an obvious geographic
advantage. When it was aligned with US Call districts it was a bit
easier,
but I didn?t really try to qualify then.
I guess the dream will have to wait, or I could spend money and build a
station in the Caribbean and operate, remotely even.
I don?t think it will be possible to be completely fair but qualification
rules should prioritize skill first if this is going to be a competition
of
who is the best operator. There are of course some damned good operators
in
there but I think some who may not have access to a super duper station
get
left out.
73
Ria
N2RJ
On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:21 PM Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com> wrote:
6. Qualification Score Calculation
The qualification score is the sum of up to 12 Event Scores. The maximum
possible qualification score is 12.000 for DL, 11.900 for the rest of
the world.
1. A maximum of 4 Event Scores may be from multi-ops (MS/M2/MM).
2. A maximum of 4 Event Scores can be from outside an applicant?s home
Selection Area (i.e., DXpeditions).
3. A maximum of 2 operators may submit scores for a single contest
from
a MS, 3 from a M2, and 4 from a MM.
4. If an operator?s callsign appears with more than one entry in a
single qualifying event (e.g., from operating at more than one
station), they may not use any scores from that contest.
5. In the unlikely case of a tie score for the final qualifying spot
in
a Selection Area, the applicants will be asked for additional
scores
beyond those submitted on the application until the tie is broken.
As long as you operate a station in your own qualification area as a SO
it counts. That would ether be from home OR as a guest operator. That's
how you could qualify without having a station at home.
Jeff
On 7/7/2018 05:38 PM, Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:
What if you had no home station, let alone a tribander with wires,
could
you qualify then?
Tim / N6WIN
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
On Saturday, July 7, 2018, 14:16, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc@gmail.com>
wrote:
Yes, this was the first time one could qualify using low power.
Notwithstanding you have to have big antenna farm because even in Low
power category there were a lot of competitors. And yes, some of those
who have big stations did bother with doing low power. Tribander and
wires from the city lot is not enough to qualify for WRTC regardless of
power.
73, Igor UA9CDC
07.07.2018 22:03, Jeff Clarke ?????:
It's possible to qualify by doing low power. Your score would be
compared to others that are doing low power and not the high power
scores. If you do that you won't have to compete again the "big gun"
stations in your region. Plus you aren't getting any reduction in
score ( getting the same number of points same as HP SO guys) like
someone who did Multi-Ops. I really doubt someone who has a big
station would want to bother with doing low power.
If I'm not mistaken Julio, AD4Z, who is one of the team leaders in our
region (NA-002) did this and qualified.
Jeff KU8E
On 7/6/2018 11:11 PM, Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:
I think what?s most interesting is the guys I know who typically win
don?t spend a lot of time complaining... they spend a lot of time
working at what makes them winners.
I can also think of some people who won/win that don?t have deep
pockets at all.
Some of the best operators don?t actually have big stations. Not
taking away from the big station owners at all, as some of them are
great operators themselves. However, many are willing to let the
latest up and coming great operators take their station seats to show
what can be done.
It makes sense to me because it takes a lot of time and effort to
either build or work to pay for others to build something expensive.
That same time is thus not spent on honing operating skills.
Very similar to how many athletes aren?t rich until after (and not
for all) they have worked so very hard to win and are given
noteriety.
If a guy wants to remote or travel into my area and he beats me, so
be it... time for me to get better. Or maybe I don?t want to put in
the same operating skills effort that he did and thus I?ll just hope
he doesn?t return.
Competition is great... it shows how hard we are willing to work, or
not.
Tim / N6WIN.
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
On Friday, July 6, 2018, 14:45, Jim via CQ-Contest
<cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
I have a somewhat different perspective, being an Ohio snowbird who
spends half the year in Florida. As a practical matter I could not
qualify without a lot of travel or remote operating from W8. And I?m
not that stupid to head north from Florida in February :-)
I had my shot at WRTC in 2014 (as N1U with partner K9NW), but I
didn?t compete to qualify for 2018, and don?t see me trying to
qualify for future WRTCs, so don?t take these comments as being self
serving.
If a W6 resident wants to operate from W1, let him do so, comparing
his scores with other W1 entrants. And conversely, if a guy living in
W1 is crazy enough to want to operate CQWW from W6, thinking the
qualifying competition there might be less, why stop him? Again,
compare his W6 score with other W6 scores, and let the WRTC
qualifying points go into his home W1 account.
So long as a person is a legitimate resident of his qualifying area,
why stop him from operating from anywhere in the world, whether in
person or remotely? I don?t have a problem to allow someone like
LZ4AX to qualify from W3, but I would not let people become
?Africans? solely by virtue of a bunch of operating from zone 33.
73 - Jim K8MR
p.s. Keep in mind the motto of the Florida Contest Group: Sooner or
later, you?ll be one of us!
On Jul 6, 2018, at 4:16 PM, WW3S <ww3s@zoominternet.net> wrote:
A west coast ham, operating a remote station with antennas in Maine,
should be competing as if he/she were physically in Maine.
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 5, 2018, at 11:56 PM, David Siddall <hhamwv@gmail.com>
wrote:
A W6 ham resident in California that operates a station on the east
coast,
whether by physical or remote means, could not qualify to be a team
leader
for the WRTC2018. Rule 7.5 - 7.7, subject to Rule 6.2.
73, Dave K3ZJ
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Carol Richards <n2mm@comcast.net>
wrote:
Hi,
I agree....where you operate _from_ should determine what region
you
compete in. A W6 in California operating a remote station on the
East coast
should not be grouped with other East coast stations to qualify
for WRTC.
This remote category is getting out of hand.
Carol
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 17:30:08 -0400
From: Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Qualifying
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When K4BAI and I were competitors in Brazil in 2006 our qualifying
region included all of W1-W4 with only two teams from that region. Talk
about a tough region to have to qualify in! I can tell you that
propagation in Georgia is nothing close to what it is in New England so
the odds of us making it was very slim even if you had a super station.
In our case people ahead of us in the standings had to drop out for
various reasons and others were teammates with someone else. They made
it down to #7? in the East Region where K4BAI was and John picked me as
his teammate.? I guess the moral of this story is just to try your best
to have a good qualifying score and you might get lucky like we did.
Jeff KU8E
On 7/8/2018 09:17 AM, David Siddall wrote:
For the record, in the WRTC2018 selection area that includes New England,
only one of the three winners operated in New England.
One operated from the middle of Pennsylvania (225 miles WEST of New York
City). The other operated from the suburbs of Washington, DC.
Furthermore, the Pennsylvania op lived in Boston and traveled TO
mid-Pennsylvania to operate in contests.
Probably a good thing that these ops didn't realize that they had "no
chance in hell" to win.
(Complete WRTC2018 qualification final rankings are at:
http://wrtc2018.de/index.php/en/competition/standings-2.
73, Dave K3ZJ
On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:49 PM, rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
I?m looking at my case. Under the current criteria I have not a shot in
hell. Mostly because I?m competing with W1 who has an obvious geographic
advantage. When it was aligned with US Call districts it was a bit easier,
but I didn?t really try to qualify then.
< >
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 19:00:47 -0400
From: cqtestk4xs@aol.com
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: [CQ-Contest] WRTC which contests qualify
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Geographical advantage for ALL of the east coast? Uh, no. I ran a 4 el wire
quad at a height of 120-130 ft on 80 meters in central FL and regularly got
beat out to EU by W1/W2 stations running inverted vees at 80 or 90 ft. There
is a difference of around 1300-1400 miles from northern ME to southern FL and
no station in FL can compete with a NE station in DX contests. Now for
domestic contests that's a different story. That's why putting SS and maybe
NAQP in the mix for qualifying is a fair way to go.
My choice for qualifying events for US:
ARRL DX
CQWW
WPX
SS
NAQP
It is possible to make a top three or four with a modest station in NAQP and SS
if you are a good op. K6LL and others have done it.
By the way, if you have a modest station or no station, many good stations are
available if you ask. The worst that will happen is the owner will say no.
Also, consider using a club station. W4LT has used the Tampa Radio Club
station and got first place US in the low power assisted last year.
Yeah, it's easier if you have a big station at your QTH, but you can still
qualify if you don't. Ask N2NL.
Bill KH7XS/K4XS
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From: Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com>
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Sent: Sun, Jul 8, 2018 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Qualifying
Oh C'Mon!! An east coast station complaining about their propagation ? You got to be kidding right? You really don't realize how
well you have it compared to the rest of the country. Only a handful of stations outside the East Coast ever make the top ten box in
any category of a DX contest. Come down and operate where I live and you will appreciate what you have. I could probably put up a
bunch of big towers and beams and K1AR would still beat me with his wires !! :) Jeff KU8E On 7/8/2018 11:52 AM, rjairam@gmail.com
wrote: > Hi Robert, > > In the USA I have operated from Florida, Arkansas and Texas and remotely > from California. >
> The difference between NJ and Maine, NH or Vermont can be quite > significant. > > Yes up here it is better than the
west coast but in contesting to work > Europe the more North Easterly you are, the better because the band stays > open longer.
> > 73 > Ria, N2RJ > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:09 AM robert f beaudoin <wa1fcn@charter.net> wrote
:
>
GM Ria >> >> Maybe you have never operated from outside the NorthEast >> USA, but I find it >> >> hard to sympathize with your comment about you as a W2 station >> having a geographic >> >> disadvantage against W1
land. Your QTH in N. J. what is that >> 100 miles from W1 land ? >> >> I guess all things are relative but I sure wish I had your >> disadvantage. >> >> 73 and GM from from Alabama WA1FCN >> >> >> On 7/7/2018 8:49 PM,
rjairam@gmail.com wrote: >>> I?m looking at my case. Under the current criteria I have not a shot in >>> hell. Mostly because I?m competing with W1 who has an obvious geographic >>> advantage. When it was aligned with US Call districts it was a bit
>> easier, >>> but I didn?t really try to qualify then. >>> >>> I guess the dream will have to wait, or I could spend money and build a >>> station in the Caribbean and operate, remotely even. >>> >>> I don?t think it
will be possible to be completely fair but qualification >>> rules shoul
d prioritize skill first if this is going to be a competition >> of >>> who is the best operator. There are of course some damned good operators >> in >>> there but I think some who may not have access to a super duper station >> get >>> left out. >>> >>> 73 >>>
Ria >>> N2RJ >>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:21 PM Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com> wrote: >>> >>>> 6. Qualification Score Calculation >>>> >>>> The qualification score is the sum of up to 12 Event Scores. The maximum >>>> possible qualification score is 12.000
for DL, 11.900 for the rest of >is very different, so is the east coast>>> the world.>>>>>>>> 1. A maximum of 4 Event Scores may be from multi-ops (MS/M2/MM).>>>> 2. A maximum of 4 Event Scores can be from outside an applicant?s home>>>> Selection Area (i.e.,
DXpeditions).>>>> 3. A maximum of 2 operators may submit scores for a single contest>> from>>>> a MS, 3 from a M2, and 4 from a MM.>>>> 4. If an operator?s callsign appears with more tha
n
one entry in a>>>> single qualifying event (e.g., from operating at more than one>>>> station), they may not use any scores from that contest.>>>> 5. In the unlikely case of a tie score for the final qualifying spot>> in>>>> a Selection Area, the applicants will be asked for additional>> scores>>>> beyond those submitted on the application until the tie is broken.>>>>>>>> As long as you operate a station in your own qualification area as a SO>>>> it counts. That would ether be from home OR as a guest operator. That's>>>> how you could qualify without having a station at home.>>>>>>>> Jeff>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2018 05:38 PM, Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:>>>>> What if you had no home station, let alone a tribander with wires,>> could>>>> you qualify then?>>>>> Tim / N6WIN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 7, 2018, 14:16, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc@gmail.com>>> wrote:>>>>> Yes, this was the first time one
c
o
uld qualify using low power.>>>>> Notwithstanding you have to have big antenna farm because even in Low>>>>> power category there were a lot of competitors. And yes, some of those>>>>> who have big stations did bother with doing low power. Tribander and>>>>> wires from the city lot is not enough to qualify for WRTC regardless
of>>>>> power.>>>>>>>>>> 73, Igor UA9CDC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 07.07.2018 22:03, Jeff Clarke ?????:>>>>>> It's possible to qualify by doing low power. Your score would be>>>>>> compared to others that are doing low power and not the high power>>>>>> scores. If you
do that you won't have to compete again the "big gun">>>>>> stations in your region. Plus you aren't getting any reduction in>>>>>> score ( getting the same number of points same as HP SO guys) like>>>>>> someone who did Multi-Ops. I really doubt someone who has a big>>>>>> station would want to bother with doing low
power.>>>>>>>>>>>> If I'm not mistaken Julio, AD4Z, who is one of the team leaders
i
n our>>>>>> region (NA-002) did this and qualified.>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff KU8E>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2018 11:11 PM, Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:>>>>>>> I think what?s most interesting is the guys I know who typically win>>>>>>> don?t spend a lot of time complaining... they spend a lot of time>>>>>>> working at what makes them winners.>>>>>>> I can also think of some people who won/win that don?t have deep>>>>>>> pockets at all.>>>>>>> Some of the best operators don?t actually have big stations. Not>>>>>>> taking away from the big station owners at all, as some of them are>>>>>>> great operators themselves. However, many are willing to let the>>>>>>> latest up and coming great operators take their station seats to show>>>>>>> what can be done.>>>>>>> It makes sense to me because it takes a lot of time and effort to>>>>>>> either build or work to pay for others to build something expensive.>>>>>>> That same time is thus not spent on honing operating skills.>>>>>>> Very
s
i
milar to how many athletes aren?t rich until after (and not>>>>>>> for all) they have worked so very hard to win and are given>> noteriety.>>>>>>> If a guy wants to remote or travel into my area and he beats me, so>>>>>>> be it... time for me to get better. Or maybe I don?t want to put in>>>>>>> the same operating skills effort that he did and thus I?ll just hope>>>>>>> he doesn?t return.>>>>>>> Competition is great... it shows how hard we are willing to work, or>>>>>>> not.>>>>>>> Tim / N6WIN.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 6, 2018, 14:45, Jim via CQ-Contest>>>>>>> <cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a somewhat different perspective, being an Ohio snowbird who>>>>>>> spends half the year in Florida. As a practical matter I could not>>>>>>> qualify without a lot of travel or remote operating from W8. And I?m>>>>>>> not that stupid to head north from Florida in February :-)>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had my shot
a
t
WRTC in 2014 (as N1U with partner K9NW), but I>>>>>>> didn?t compete to qualify for 2018, and don?t see me trying to>>>>>>> qualify for future WRTCs, so don?t take these comments as being self>>>>>>> serving.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If a W6 resident wants to operate from W1, let him do so,
comparing>>>>>>> his scores with other W1 entrants. And conversely, if a guy living in>>>>>>> W1 is crazy enough to want to operate CQWW from W6, thinking the>>>>>>> qualifying competition there might be less, why stop him? Again,>>>>>>> compare his W6 score with other W6 scores, and let the WRTC>>>>>>>
qualifying points go into his home W1 account.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So long as a person is a legitimate resident of his qualifying area,>>>>>>> why stop him from operating from anywhere in the world, whether in>>>>>>> person or remotely? I don?t have a problem to allow someone like>>>>>>> LZ4AX to qualify from W3,
but I would not let people become>>>>>>> ?Africans? solely by virtue of a bunch of operati
ng
from zone 33.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73 - Jim K8MR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> p.s. Keep in mind the motto of the Florida Contest Group: Sooner or>>>>>>> later, you?ll be one of us!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 6, 2018, at 4:16 PM, WW3S <ww3s@zoominternet.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A west coast ham, operating a remote station with antennas in Maine,>>>>>>>> should be competing as if he/she were physically in Maine.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 11:56 PM, David Siddall
<hhamwv@gmail.com>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>> A W6 ham resident in California that operates a station on the east>>>>>>>>> coast,>>>>>>>>> whether by physical or remote means, could not qualify to be a team>>>>>>>>> leader>>>>>>>>> for the WRTC2018. Rule 7.5 - 7.7, subject to Rule 6.2.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73, Dave K3ZJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Carol Richards <n2mm@comcast.net>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
I agree....where you operate _from_ should determine what region>> you>>>>>>>>>> compete in. A W6 in California operating a remote station on the>>>>>>>>>> East coast>>>>>>>>>> should not be grouped with other East coast stations to qualify>>>>>>>>>> for WRTC.>>>>>>>>>> This remote category is getting out of hand.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carol>>>>>>>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 19:54:31 -0400
From: cqtestk4xs@aol.com
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Qualifying
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Come on Bob, being in Al or FL is an advantage to work JA and VK, true.
However, no way can it make up for the multitude of countries and QSOs that are
available in EU, especially on 160 and 80. I'm only 4000 miles from JA out
here in KH6, and would gladly exchange the NY EU runs for my much slower JA,
BY, YB, HS runs from KH6. The quantity is just not there, even with my
outstanding location.
You forgot one other thing too. Being in AL or FL means that we get almost one
hour less darkness at the end of Oct and Nov to get all those 40, 80 and 160
mults and countries. Even the ARRL DX contests have that issue. The only time
AL, FL have equal darkness is for WPX SSB. And no, the extra hour of light is
not a big deal for AL/FL on 10, 15 or 20 especially at this point of the cycle.
I once had a big time contester come down from NY to do a multi-single. He
listened on 80 and wanted to know when the signals got better/stronger. I
broke the news to him. That was a strong as they got. He was quite
disappointed. End of story.
Bill K4XS/KH7XS
. The same way that being in Alabama should provide a BIG advantage vs. New
England to working Japan, Southeast Asia, UA9/0 and the Pacific even though
there are not as many stations to work.I?m sure that 100 miles North or South
makes a big difference on some DX paths in Alabama too but that it is less
noticeable until that 100 miles gives you a nice water path somewhere and then
you will REALLY notice the difference.
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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 18:19:02 -0600
From: Chris Hurlbut <chriskl9a@gmail.com>
To: cqtestk4xs@aol.com
Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC which contests qualify
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Simply commenting on the opinion of SS being a WRTC qualifier, I have to
disagree.
Not much about SS translates to WRTC, other than maybe accuracy being
important.
Of course, NAQP is a perfect qualification contest. :)
-Chris KL9A
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 5:04 PM Bill via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
wrote:
Geographical advantage for ALL of the east coast? Uh, no. I ran a 4 el
wire quad at a height of 120-130 ft on 80 meters in central FL and
regularly got beat out to EU by W1/W2 stations running inverted vees at 80
or 90 ft. There is a difference of around 1300-1400 miles from northern ME
to southern FL and no station in FL can compete with a NE station in DX
contests. Now for domestic contests that's a different story. That's why
putting SS and maybe NAQP in the mix for qualifying is a fair way to go.
My choice for qualifying events for US:
ARRL DX
CQWW
WPX
SS
NAQP
It is possible to make a top three or four with a modest station in NAQP
and SS if you are a good op. K6LL and others have done it.
By the way, if you have a modest station or no station, many good stations
are available if you ask. The worst that will happen is the owner will say
no. Also, consider using a club station. W4LT has used the Tampa Radio
Club station and got first place US in the low power assisted last year.
Yeah, it's easier if you have a big station at your QTH, but you can still
qualify if you don't. Ask N2NL.
Bill KH7XS/K4XS
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com>
To: cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 8, 2018 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Qualifying
Oh C'Mon!! An east coast station complaining about their propagation ?
You got to be kidding right? You really don't realize how well you have it
compared to the rest of the country. Only a handful of stations outside the
East Coast ever make the top ten box in any category of a DX contest. Come
down and operate where I live and you will appreciate what you have. I
could probably put up a bunch of big towers and beams and K1AR would still
beat me with his wires !! :) Jeff KU8E On 7/8/2018 11:52 AM,
rjairam@gmail.com wrote: > Hi Robert, > > In the USA I have operated from
Florida, Arkansas and Texas and remotely > from California. > > The
difference between NJ and Maine, NH or Vermont can be quite > significant.
Yes up here it is better than the west coast but in contesting to work
Europe the more North Easterly you are, the better because the band stays
open longer. > > 73 > Ria, N2RJ > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:09 AM robert
f beaudoin <wa1fcn@charter.net> wrote: > >> GM Ria >> >>
Maybe you have never operated from outside the NorthEast >> USA, but I
find it >> >> hard to sympathize with your comment about you as a W2
station >> having a geographic >> >> disadvantage against W1 land. Your QTH
in N. J. what is that >> 100 miles from W1 land ? >> >> I guess all things
are relative but I sure wish I had your >> disadvantage. >> >> 73 and GM
from from Alabama WA1FCN >> >> >> On 7/7/2018 8:49 PM, rjairam@gmail.com
wrote: >>> I?m looking at my case. Under the current criteria I have not a
shot in >>> hell. Mostly because I?m competing with W1 who has an obvious
geographic >>> advantage. When it was aligned with US Call districts it was
a bit >> easier, >>> but I didn?t really try to qualify then. >>> >>> I
guess the dream will have to wait, or I could spend money and build a >>>
station in the Caribbean and operate, remotely even. >>> >>> I don?t think
it will be possible to be completely fair but qualification >>> rules
should prioritize skill first if this is going to be a competition >> of
who is the best operator. There are of course some damned good
operators >> in >>> there but I think some who may not have access to a
super duper station >> get >>> left out. >>> >>> 73 >>> Ria >>> N2RJ >>> On
Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:21 PM Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com> wrote: >>> >>>>
6. Qualification Score Calculation >>>> >>>> The qualification score is the
sum of up to 12 Event Scores. The maximum >>>> possible qualification score
is 12.000 for DL, 11.900 for the rest of >is very different, so is the east
coast>>> the world.>>>>>>>> 1. A maximum of 4 Event Scores may be from
multi-ops (MS/M2/MM).>>>> 2. A maximum of 4 Event Scores can be from
outside an applicant?s home>>>> Selection Area (i.e.,
DXpeditions).>>>> 3. A maximum of 2 operators may submit scores for a
single contest>> from>>>> a MS, 3 from a M2, and 4 from a MM.>>>>
4. If an operator?s callsign appears with more than one entry in a>>>>
single qualifying event (e.g., from operating at more than one>>>>
station), they may not use any scores from that contest.>>>> 5. In the
unlikely case of a tie score for the final qualifying spot>> in>>>> a
Selection Area, the applicants will be asked for additional>> scores>>>>
beyond those submitted on the application until the tie is
broken.>>>>>>>> As long as you operate a station in your own qualification
area as a SO>>>> it counts. That would ether be from home OR as a guest
operator. That's>>>> how you could qualify without having a station at
home.>>>>>>>> Jeff>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2018 05:38 PM, Timothy Coker via
CQ-Contest wrote:>>>>> What if you had no home station, let alone a
tribander with wires,>> could>>>> you qualify then?>>>>> Tim /
N6WIN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Saturday, July 7, 2018, 14:16, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc@gmail.com>>>
wrote:>>>>> Yes, this was the first time one could qualify using low
power.>>>>> Notwithstanding you have to have big antenna farm because even
in Low>>>>> power category there were a lot of competitors. And yes, some
of those>>>>> who have big stations did bother with doing low power.
Tribander and>>>>> wires from the city lot is not enough to qualify for
WRTC regardless of>>>>> power.>>>>>>>>>> 73, Igor UA9CDC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
07.07.2018 22:03, Jeff Clarke ?????:>>>>>> It's possible to qualify by
doing low power. Your score would be>>>>>> compared to others that are
doing low power and not the high power>>>>>> scores. If you do that you
won't have to compete again the "big gun">>>>>> stations in your region.
Plus you aren't getting any reduction in>>>>>> score ( getting the same
number of points same as HP SO guys) like>>>>>> someone who did Multi-Ops.
I really doubt someone who has a big>>>>>> station would want to bother
with doing low power.>>>>>>>>>>>> If I'm not mistaken Julio, AD4Z, who is
one of the team leaders in our>>>>>> region (NA-002) did this and
qualified.>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff KU8E>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2018 11:11 PM,
Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:>>>>>>> I think what?s most interesting
is the guys I know who typically win>>>>>>> don?t spend a lot of time
complaining... they spend a lot of time>>>>>>> working at what makes them
winners.>>>>>>> I can also think of some people who won/win that don?t have
deep>>>>>>> pockets at all.>>>>>>> Some of the best operators don?t
actually have big stations. Not>>>>>>> taking away from the big station
owners at all, as some of them are>>>>>>> great operators themselves.
However, many are willing to let the>>>>>>> latest up and coming great
operators take their station seats to show>>>>>>> what can be done.>>>>>>>
It makes sense to me because it takes a lot of time and effort to>>>>>>>
either build or work to pay for others to build something expensive.>>>>>>>
That same time is thus not spent on honing operating skills.>>>>>>> Very
similar to how many athletes aren?t rich until after (and not>>>>>>> for
all) they have worked so very hard to win and are given>> noteriety.>>>>>>>
If a guy wants to remote or travel into my area and he beats me, so>>>>>>>
be it... time for me to get better. Or maybe I don?t want to put in>>>>>>>
the same operating skills effort that he did and thus I?ll just hope>>>>>>>
he doesn?t return.>>>>>>> Competition is great... it shows how hard we are
willing to work, or>>>>>>> not.>>>>>>> Tim / N6WIN.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from
Yahoo Mail for iPhone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 6, 2018, 14:45,
Jim via CQ-Contest>>>>>>> <cq-contest@contesting.com>
wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a somewhat different perspective, being an Ohio
snowbird who>>>>>>> spends half the year in Florida. As a practical matter
I could not>>>>>>> qualify without a lot of travel or remote operating from
W8. And I?m>>>>>>> not that stupid to head north from Florida in February
:-)>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had my shot at WRTC in 2014 (as N1U with partner K9NW),
but I>>>>>>> didn?t compete to qualify for 2018, and don?t see me trying
to>>>>>>> qualify for future WRTCs, so don?t take these comments as being
self>>>>>>> serving.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If a W6 resident wants to operate from
W1, let him do so, comparing>>>>>>> his scores with other W1 entrants. And
conversely, if a guy living in>>>>>>> W1 is crazy enough to want to operate
CQWW from W6, thinking the>>>>>>> qualifying competition there might be
less, why stop him? Again,>>>>>>> compare his W6 score with other W6
scores, and let the WRTC>>>>>>> qualifying points go into his home W1
account.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So long as a person is a legitimate resident of his
qualifying area,>>>>>>> why stop him from operating from anywhere in the
world, whether in>>>>>>> person or remotely? I don?t have a problem to
allow someone like>>>>>>> LZ4AX to qualify from W3, but I would not let
people become>>>>>>> ?Africans? solely by virtue of a bunch of operating
from zone 33.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73 - Jim K8MR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> p.s.
Keep in mind the motto of the Florida Contest Group: Sooner or>>>>>>>
later, you?ll be one of us!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 6,
2018, at 4:16 PM, WW3S <ww3s@zoominternet.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A
west coast ham, operating a remote station with antennas in Maine,>>>>>>>>
should be competing as if he/she were physically in Maine.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sent from my iPad>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 11:56 PM, David
Siddall <hhamwv@gmail.com>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>> A W6 ham resident in
California that operates a station on the east>>>>>>>>> coast,>>>>>>>>>
whether by physical or remote means, could not qualify to be a
team>>>>>>>>> leader>>>>>>>>> for the WRTC2018. Rule 7.5 - 7.7, subject to
Rule 6.2.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73, Dave K3ZJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Carol Richards <n2mm@comcast.net>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
agree....where you operate _from_ should determine what region>>
you>>>>>>>>>> compete in. A W6 in California operating a remote station on
the>>>>>>>>>> East coast>>>>>>>>>> should not be grouped with other East
coast stations to qualify>>>>>>>>>> for WRTC.>>>>>>>>>> This remote
category is getting out of hand.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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