| If the same people win, why change anything?  While nobody wants to see 
the US working US...Ok nobody outside the US, consider for a moment that 
the USA is much like EU now.  EU gets to work other EU without penalty 
even though EU is effectively a bunch of states like the US.  What 
exactly is the difference?  Each US state creates their own laws and rules. 
What we are seeing is a reflection of society.  Everyone feels entitled 
to something. 
Trying to level the playing field while admirable will probably never 
happen.  Can we look at ways to do it.  Yes. 
Could you ever level the playing field of a car race where you allowed 
entrants to race Formula One cars. old beat up 65 VW bugs, Semi trucks, 
farm tractors, motorcycles and bicycles?  This is exactly what we have 
in contesting.  We have competitors with super stations to competitors 
with just enough to hear and get out. 
WRTC is probably as close as we will ever come to a level field of play, 
but only a select few get to compete.  This is reality as you can only 
have so many station so close and monitored etc. 
While we have a tribanders and wires class in some contests there is no 
monitoring, no oversight. Maybe through local clubs, areas around the 
world could have "WRTC" like stations competing against each other.  
Club committees could certify a station as "WRTC" or "TW". 
I am not sure all that work would make any difference in the big picture.
Mike W0MU
On 12/2/2013 8:00 AM, Yuri Blanarovich wrote:
 
Bravo Fabio!
That sounds like easiest fix to presently antiquated scoring per QSO.
Also, this should eliminate ZERO points for own country.
Any changes to scoring in the contest should try to keep the same 
final score or allow increases so the All Time Records retain some value. 
Distance scoring will complicate things too much and give big boost to 
those few sitting in the middle of nowhere far away from heavy density 
areas (where everything is biiig points) and bitching will continue. 
It will be interesting to see the analysis and comparison of few top 
scorers, I suspect it will be not too far off and more "just" for 
number of QSOs. 
Some time ago I tried to come up with the "ideal" contest rules for 
Tesla Cup, using grid square multipliers and other equalizing 
measures, but nobody helped to implement, it is easier to moan about 
"injustice". 
73  Yuri, K3BU.us
www.MVmanor.com
 On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 03:38 AM, Fabio I4UFH wrote:
 > Hi Guys,
 
Even it will be impossible to equalize the world, with the right 
equation, i have one more simple idea, that i didn’t show up, this 
year, apologies if if has still be discussed in the past : 
Without scrambling software developers or online scores, or Software 
committee,
to endorse the DX QSO, i can suggest a different points related to 
your CQZone, no more Country or Continents. 
Same CQ Zone     =    1     Points
Adjacent Zone        =    2    Points
Other Zone        =    3    Points
For adjacent Zone i mean the CQZone that has borders with your Zone.
Benefit ? Well everyone still will try the DX QSO. PJ will still have 
3 points with NA,
but also TI, XE Zone 3 and 4 at 2 points, and zone 5 a 3 points, LU 
almost 3 points,
CN, EA8 2 points zone 14, 15 and 5, 3 point others, 9M will add more 
bloods with almost 
JA’s a 3 points .. etc. etc.
it’s is a brief analyze, obviously there will be some place in the 
world that still had advantages,
but are advantages related with his far away location, that is the 
core of the discussion. 
To calculate is very easy, every Zone has it’s adjacent  Zone , so no 
need to send different reports,
no need to distance approximate calculation, no need to add K’s 
factor to correct polar path, simply 
a different point of view related with what still have … the CQZones..
If i will have time into the December Holiday i will try to rescore 
old logs with these new rules ! 
Just one more cents
73 de Fabio I4UFH
Il giorno 29/nov/2013, alle ore 21:36, Rick Kiessig  ha scritto:
 
I think it's a mistake to look at distance-based scoring strictly as a
measure of effort to complete a QSO. Even though it's a much better 
measure 
than DXCC or Zone, that's not the real intent, IMO.
Instead, I think the goal is to get population-dense areas to point 
their 
antennas away from each other, and out toward the rest of the world, by
encouraging multiple contacts with distant places. CQWW's scoring 
system of 
zero points for QSOs in your own country is a good first step, but when
there are many countries (or another continent) right next door, 
it's not as 
effective as it should be.
73, Rick ZL2HAM / ZM1G
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To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Scoring System needs revision?
Distance based scoring is something that was looked at in detail for 
ARRL DX 
contest a couple years ago.  While it had it's advocates, there were a
couple main concerns that caused us to set it aside for now. The 
first was 
that, depending on propagation, the distance of a Contest QSO, does not
always  equate to the effort needed to make that Q.  In many cases, 
on 10
and 15  meters for example, it is easier for someone Florida (for 
example) 
to make a  contact with EU than it is the Caribbean.  The CAC actually
worked with someone who re scored a couple past DX Contests using the
Distance Based Scoring  and the results did not change all that much.
Scores in the middle part of  the U.S. rose and scores on the east 
coasts
went down and the order of the top  ten changed a little but not 
that much.
Logging software would have to  change of course and we were 
concerned that
there were many contesters that  would not be comfortable with Grid 
Squares
(which would give the most accurate  results).  Finally, the 
majority of the 
contesters we talked to were not in  favor or such a change.
So, at least for now, the change was not recommended.
73,
AL, K0AD
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