Ron,
I guess we have gone over this before, but I still don't see any personal
information being requested or required in any contest logs.
If you don't want your secondary address or station location published,
don't put it in the log file. There is no requirement to do so.
As far as station location is concerned, I think the ARRL Section is about
as close as you have to get to giving out that information.
There's no requirement for you to provide your actual station address in the
Cabrillo file - it's your mailing address that is asked for, and this is so
the sponsor can send you a certificate.
It is not to locate your station or where you live or where you operate
from. If you don't want to provide it, don't.
You could put "See QRZ.com for address information" or leave it out. No log
would be rejected for this.
I have never seen a telephone number requested. I would not provide one
either. What purpose would it serve?
If you don't want, don't provide your email in your Cabrillo file. There is
no hard requirement to provide it. Many don't.
I have never seen a birth date requested - even in the All-Asia contest
where your age is your exchange, there is no requirement to divulge your
birthdate.
Does it bother me that contest log data that has no personal information in
it is used for purposes related to the contest or contest
operation/analysis? No.
In principle, I agree that there should be no exposure of private or
personal information through any contest log administration process.
That said, there is no private or personal information contained in a log
file that I am aware of.
I'm open to being convinced otherwise, but I'm still mystified as to what
personal data you are concerned about.
73,
Bob W5OV
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Notarius W3WN [mailto:wn3vaw@verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 12:57 PM
To: 'Bob Naumann'; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Two points for intra-NA QSOs in CQWW?
We've been over this before.
Strictly speaking, my station location or contact information for a given
contest entry does not necessarily match my legal address with the FCC; some
use a PO Box or other type of mail drop, which may not be where they
operated from.
I have seen contest entry forms request information such as telephone
numbers, email addresses, in some cases where it is relevant, even birth
dates. Information that is not collected by the FCC, and information that
may not necessarily be in the "public" domain.
But enough. I'm not rehashing this with you again Bob. Clearly we don't
agree on this point.
That all aside... the link that Steve provided earlier was not to a CQ
contest-related site, but to another site all together. That doesn't bother
you at all, that open logs & related data are being copied and used on other
sites for purposes beyond the control of the contest committees or sponsors?
Well, sorry. As I said earlier... I might be wrong. I don't pretend to
have all the answers. But I firmly believe that mandatory Open Logs are
wrong. And examples like the one shown by this little revelation only
reinforce that belief.
73
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Naumann [mailto:W5OV@W5OV.COM]
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 12:18 PM
To: 'Ron Notarius W3WN'; n2ic@arrl.net; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Two points for intra-NA QSOs in CQWW?
Ron,
The place you lose me is when you claim that a contest log contains
"personal or private information".
I just don't follow this logic at all.
What "specific personal information" would otherwise be in a submitted log?
Your name and address? That's already public information, so that can't be
it.
>From looking at way too many of these log files, I have never seen anything
personal in nature divulged in a log, nor is there any requirement to do so
by any contest sponsor.
W5OV
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Notarius W3WN
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 10:55 AM
To: n2ic@arrl.net; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Two points for intra-NA QSOs in CQWW?
Strictly speaking, that is not my log. That is a synthesis of what the
computer "thinks" is my log, based on other submitted entries.
And, at least technically, specific personal information that would be in my
submitted log is not included in this synthesis.
The broader point is that this demonstrates exactly what I've been talking
about. It is bad enough that, in general, our rights to privacy and
confidentiality in personal matters is getting more eroded every day. And
it is unfortunate, to say the least, that others (wittingly or unwittingly)
have conceded their rights, for what they are told is the 'greater good' --
sometimes it is, but sometimes it's not.
This demonstrates that there are those who have few if any reservations
about making public others personal or private information... and then using
it against the wishes of those individuals.
Regardless... I know that I'm wasting my time discussing this with the
majority who are active on this forum. It is contrary to many opinions, and
to many others, they are tired of hearing it. So be it.
But I am disappointed, to say the least, that you expect me to abandon my
principles because someone else lacks scruples.
I may be wrong. But I am not intentionally a hypocrite.
73
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Steve London
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:35 AM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Two points for intra-NA QSOs in CQWW?
Ron,
IIRC, the primary reason you stopped submitting logs is because you
objected to the logs becoming "public", viewable by anyone.
Well, you can start submitting logs again, because despite your best
effort, your log is public, anyway. See
http://rate.pileup.ru/vlog.php?call=W3WN .
73,
Steve, N2IC
On 03/09/2013 05:09 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
I see. Thanks Barry.
There are those of use who operate in the contest, but do not submit logs
for any of a variety of reasons.
I guess our opinions aren't important then.
Pity. This used to be one of my favorite contests, too.
73
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