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Re: [Amps] Alpha 86

To: Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 86
From: David Tenenbaum <dmt013@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2022 09:52:42 -0500
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It was!

Also, as others have said, the 86 was not remotely standardized, with at least 
3 different control boards. Mine had blown PIN diodes and I could not find a 
source, so I built in vacuum relays but it took a lot of probing my control 
board to find a place to get a control signal for the relays. Not much info on 
the internet either.

Appreciate all the help from everyone! Awaiting new fuses.

David 

> On Nov 9, 2022, at 9:40 AM, Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'll bet the fuse that appeared visually intact was 1A not 1.5A. 
> 
> Larry
> WB6BBB
> 
> 
> On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 17:05:47 -0500, David Tenenbaum <dmt013@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think you have nailed it Chris: I had initially visually checked the slow 
>> blow fuses and they looked fine, but an ohmmeter confirms one is not 
>> conductive. My bad for not checking it with a meter first time around. 
>> Embarrassing!
>> 
>> Two followups:
>> 
>> 1) The schematic says 1.5 amp slow blow, but the chassis stencil says 1.0 
>> amp SB. I am guessing it should not matter too much which I go with?
>> 
>> 2) Should I be looking at an underlying root cause before trying it with new 
>> fuse? I guess worse that can happen is it blows again....
>> 
>> Thanks for the help, sorry for the rookie oversight!
>> 
>> David
>> N1RO
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2022, at 4:52 PM, c miller <c_miller_1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not too odd really.  On 120v it is possible to run the initial startup 
>>> cycle on just one of the two windings.  Then once the soft start circuit 
>>> bypasses then both windings come into operation and unit preforms as 
>>> intended.  However, with either fuse F3 or F4, or resistor R6 or R7, in the 
>>> soft start circuit being open, no power ever gets passed on to the 
>>> transformer thus locking the rig in a power off state.  The relay k11 
>>> (click) is the only part that is able to operate in that failure mode
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> VE3CEA 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 8, 2022, at 16:31, gudguyham--- via Amps <amps@contesting.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?It’s odd that it works on 120 and not 240.  I looked in the manual but 
>>>> the terminal strip is not numbered on the schematic.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022, 3:24 PM, David Tenenbaum <dmt013@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the feedback!
>>>> I am still on the clock at work but took a break to check R8 and I am 
>>>> seeing 3.98K ohms, so the 4k resistor seems intact. Later tonight when 
>>>> finally done with work I will tear into it to look at the fuses and other 
>>>> resistors, confirm there is REALLY 220 v getting to the unit, and anything 
>>>> else that comes up.
>>>> Thanks all for the ideas!!!!
>>>> David N1RO/VE3TMK
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 8, 2022, at 2:33 PM, gudguyham@aol.com wrote:
>>>> Did you check R8 for open?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022, 2:20 PM, David Tenenbaum <dmt013@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> I have an Alpha 86 that I have been using set up for 110v, and finally 
>>>> have access to 220v, so looking forward to seeing what it can REALLY put 
>>>> out. Unfortunately I have made the jumper changes (terminal in the back 
>>>> for 110 operation has locations 1&2 jumpered, 3&4 jumpered, and 5&6 
>>>> jumpered, but for 220 only locations 2&3 are jumpered), and the unit fails 
>>>> to light up or come online. I hear a single relay activation when I hit 
>>>> the "On" switch, but no lights or fan.
>>>> 
>>>> Fearing I hurt the unit I restored it to 110v operation and all is good. I 
>>>> set it back to 220v and same problem. I checked continuity from the plug's 
>>>> ground to chassis ground, and the hot leads show continuity to the right 
>>>> places. I have been using a 220v SB200 on that outlet just fine.
>>>> 
>>>> Any thoughts or leads appreciated! Never thought I would have a problem 
>>>> just switching supply voltages.....Scan of schematic attached....
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> David
>>>> N1RO/VE3TMK 
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