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[Amps] 7633 scope TSPA

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Subject: [Amps] 7633 scope TSPA
From: "John T. M. Lyles" <jtml@lanl.gov>
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:51:11 -0700
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The 7633 is a fine piece as long as it is working. If you live in a 
humid area, try to either keep it working in an airconditioned or 
dehumidified area, or use it frequently to keep the HV section from 
getting too damp. Also, keep that area clean inside. I killed my 
first one and it was not repairable, so if you need parts I may still 
have the carcass out in the shed unless I unloaded it at a hamfest 
for parts already. One thing I like about vintage old Tek scopes is 
that they hardly drift, compared to what old HP scopes did. I am 
talking solid state here, not the big tube scopes. They were in a 
different league.

Since killing my 7633, I now have a 7623 which is slightly less 
capable for storage and a 7603, as I mentioned before. I use the 7603 
with Tek S/A plug-ins, as it has a bigger/nicer screen that the 
plastic dB graticle cards fit, and you don't need the analog storage 
if you are using one of the better S/A units that had digital 
storage, like the 7L14 instead of 7L12, and the 7L18 and 7L5. I use 
the -5 and -14 in my shop at home. Last week i hauled 7L14 in my 7603 
mainframe out to a local AM radio station to help realign their STL 
(950 MHz) from their studio. What a monster to move, but it really 
worked well. I could easily see their signal (6 watts, other side of 
a ridge a few miles distant) from a yagi on the tower, and it was in 
the prescence of CDMA cellular transmitters on the same tower at 850 
MHz range. They were booming in, so I was worried about damaging the 
front end of the S/A, but it survived and picked out the -70 dBm 
signal while these big carriers were just 100 Mhz or less away - 
without using a bandpass or notch filter. By the way, don't buy a 
7L12 S/A plug-in as you will be disappointed, as it has poor phase 
lock, 300 Hz min resolution BW, and you need analog storage screen to 
really make use of it. I sold my after I got it at an auction, 
realizing that digital storage is the only way to go for useful 
spectrum analysis where you need to move markers, study the trace for 
a while, and compare tuning (before and after adjustments).

My 7623 is used with the 7B53A horizontal and 7A26 veritcal plug ins. 
You don't need faster plug ins as the mainframe (deflection 
bandwidth) for 7623 or 7633 will limit your vertical response to 100 
MHz. With their P6106 10 x fast probe, you could get 95 MHz freq 
response if you had the 7A26 and 70 MHz with the 7A18. For timebase, 
the 7B53A dual/delayed sweep plug in is the only way to go with these 
scopes.

I still use the analog storage on that 7623 scope, but it takes some 
care to remember how to make it work well. You have all those strange 
options, and you can really make an ugly trace if you don't practice 
setting it up. I used it a lot a year ago testing the built-in flash 
on digital cameras (the red eye and autofocus are preflash before the 
main flash). I needed to modify some slave units so that the slave 
flash would only respond to the main and not the preflash. The 7623 
did admirable job, although i have to admit to being spoiled having 
access to TDS scopes at work now - we got rid of nearly all of the 
analog scopes except for 2467. Last year at work I bought and 
installed TDS3034B scopes in rack mount in all of the 200 MHz RF 
system racks, to be able to track changes in the waveforms as well as 
send them over ethernet to my computer in the office. I can now 
detect minor changes in cathode current for big 3 MW triodes in 
operation, and know when we will have to change tubes, by using the 
stored waveforms compared to active trace.

I have seen the old 7D20 digitizing plug-in used at work, and in my 
estimation it was a POS. It is so old that the technology was very 
primitive for what you have to haul around. The 7D20 would do 40 MS/s 
with 1K record length.  If i were going for a DSO, I would look hard 
at the Tek TDS 2000 or TDS 3000 series of lunchbox scopes. They are 
quite incredible what they can do, up to 500 MHz (2 Gs/S).  When I 
ever find one of those cheap, I will be done with my 7623 scope 
altogether and only keep the 7603 with the S/A plug-ins.

If you can find one working, the 7A13 differential comparator 
vertical plug-in is real handy. It allows you to dial in a huge DC 
offset voltage, and continue to measure low DC changes, all DC 
coupled. Also, it has a calibrated read out of this offset. It also 
can be used as a differential set of probes and have the offset 
function working. You could look at the ripple voltage across a 50 mV 
shunt, for example, while in the presence of 400 VDC - if your probe 
tips were rated for it. It has a 20,000:1 Common mode rejection ratio.

Good luck, those were great scopes, if you can keep them going. There 
are much better ones now, but I believe that those mainframe versions 
were more versatile and reliable than the venerable 454, 465, 466, 
468 'portables'.


>Message: 9
>Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:35:39 -0500
>From: "Will Matney" <craxd1@verizon.net>
>Subject: [Amps] Tek Scope
>To: amps@contesting.com
>Message-ID: <200603252335390140.07F52B01@outgoing.verizon.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>All,
>
>I finally broke down and bought a Tek 7633 ( 100 MHz DSO ) with the 
>plug-ins. I bought a 200 Mhz dual trace vertical amp plug-in to 
>replace one 80 MHz one that's in it. I'm wondering if any have used 
>the digital plug-in which makes it a digital scope? This is the 
>plug-in that takes up all three bays, and is a one plug-in deal. I 
>primarly bought it with the intention of buying a spectrum analyzer 
>and tracking generator plugin later on. Now though, I'm wondering 
>about the digital plug-in. The plugins in it are a delayed time 
>base, and two dual trace vertical plugins, both 80 MHz. The one 
>vertical was damaged, mostly a couple of knobs so I bought a 200 MHz 
>to get the full use out of the scope. It will still have the one 80 
>MHz in it which is good. Any comments on the 7633 scope would be 
>appreciated.
>
>Best,
>
>Will
>
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