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Re: [TenTec] 4229 Tuner Balun Replacement?

To: Rick - NJ0IP / DJ0IP <Rick@DJ0IP.de>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] 4229 Tuner Balun Replacement?
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson" <geraldj@weather.net>
Reply-to: geraldj@weather.net, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:09:40 -0600
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On 11/13/2010 8:31 PM, Rick - NJ0IP / DJ0IP wrote:
Jerry, we all prefer a link coupler tuner.
Unfortunately there are no commercial units available anymore, at least not
in the amateur radio market.
Most of the old Johnson Viking matchboxes on the market are really grubby
these days, and even if you find a good one, they are very limited in their
matching range.

True for their tuning range. It never was great and hasn't included WARC bands ever.

Maybe I'm an old pack rat and should put a few things up for sale, but the last tuner I built (wasn't balanced) I built from parts on hand. My big tuner that I built about 1964 uses alligator clips for band switching, so I can tap the output coil at any turn of the coil. Its kind of overbuilt, that output coil is from a 5 KW broadcast antenna match box wound of quarter inch wide flat strap, wound on edge, so the alligator clips fit on nicely. And I can connect it for series or parallel tuning, for the two output capacitors that are mounted on ceramic standoffs and coupled with insulate shaft couplings. There's probably enough coil to get down to 500 KHz which is a another problem at higher frequencies. Might wish for more capacitance too at 500 KHz.

Sure you "could" build one but unless you are only interested in one or two
bands, the challenge would be finding an appropriate bandswitch.  These are
really quite complex.

RF parts has bandswitches. Most often figured for amplifier PAs but if two section for a Pi-L tank there would be enough switch for a balanced tuner.

I think you would have to build it yourself, which is beyond the ability of
most of us.

I've lost track of the number of link couple tuners I've built. My big tuner has too much coil for 20 meters and higher, so I have built individual tuners for 15, 10, 6, and 2m, maybe even 220 and 432 though I've not used the HF center fed wire on 220 or 432. I may have built more than one tuner per band. I used split stator capacitors for those and coils wound of #12 bare stripped building wire with a gap in the middle for a variable link. Places like Dan's Small Parts still has small air variables suitable for the higher bands. Its quicker to swap tuners than to flip a bandswitch and retune and these tuners are often no more than a 4" cube in volume, mostly exposed. In these smaller tuners I tuned the whole coil and adjusted the antenna taps for the handiest match, and soldered them together.

Or, as an alternative you could use a Z-match, which requires no bandswitch,
but they have reduced efficiency at some impedances.  There may still be a
high power version of the Z-Match available from UK Linears.

Never used a Z match.

The MFJ and Palstar designs for symmetrical matchboxes are not as good as
the link coupled, but they get the job done in good fashion.  You need some
pennies for those boxes though, but they'll handle a kilowatt.

The unbalance of a coaxial tuner feeding a balanced load while being driven through a balun isn't enough to upset any antenna. There's no need for the post balun tuner to be physically balanced in my opinion. Sure it looks nice but its not necessary. Then the balun on the matched side always sees its rated impedance, without the core or insulation smoking wild impedance variations of the tuned antenna and can work well. Even handier one or two the the MFJ automatic tuners get their power through the coax when set up for remote location. So that power can pass through the balun.

For 100w, I have found the MFJ-974B to be a great little box.
Previously, at field day, my club used an old Viking 275w version, link
coupled matchbox to match our openwire fed doublet.
It had great difficulties finding a match across all bands.
We had to play with feedline lengths.

True, the Johnson Matchbox has a limited tuning range, but its handy when it works.

The last two years we replaced it with the 974B and were able to obtain a
good match on all bands.
We have retired the Johnson Viking.

Here for high power, I use a home-brew coax balun and a Model 238 tuner.
Works great on ALL bands.  As with any openwire fed antenna, I sometimes
have to "adjust" the feedline length when I change the QTH.

In the February or March edition of QST there was a really great article on
d-i-y 4:1 current baluns.
I suggest building one of these and placing it external to the matchbox,
with a very short length of coax between the balun and the matchbox.  Any of
the solutions proposed in that article will have less loss than any of the
suggestions previously made in this thread (except for the link coupled
matchbox, of course).

The balun loss on the antenna side of the tuner can be severe because of it being operated at impedances way outside the range it was designed for. I got a rude awakening one time at a club station tuned up a tuner, couldn't hear signals though, unhooked the antenna and the impedance match didn't change. I had tuned to the toroid balun, instead of the antenna probably because the balun had a much lower impedance than the antenna at that frequency. That has made me unwilling to operate a balun at arbitrary impedances.

73
Rick (running openwire since 1963)


I've run open wire, twin lead, and Ma Bell shielded direct burial cable on my long center fed wire. Twin lead flopped about too much in the wind for the strength of the 20 guage copper conductors, e.g. too good an airfoil. 1" space #18 copperweld didn't fly in the wind, but it shattered when a slight breeze moved it when covered in a quarter or half inch of ice. The bronze strip wrapped direct burial cable did well for years, until the antenna took a hit by lighting, then the cable went open at numerous spots. I'm figuring on using what RS calls heavy duty twinlead on my next centerfed wire, but I plan on punching holes in the dielectric every 6" or foot and threading polyester line or parachute cord through them making a half turn or a full turn around the line between the holes to have a much greater tensile strength. The turn around may also upset the airfoil effect. So far this year, moving has occupied too much of my time to get that up and now its started to snow nearby. I do have a box of 3" ceramic insulators that would make a fine balanced line with some #10 or 12 copper weld. I think I have a bit of #10 copperweld that hasn't been in the weather that would work good for that feed line. I still have my double extended 75 meter zepp that has outlived two supports and three feed lines and a new QTH without room for the full double extended zepp where I'd wish to put it with the center handy to the house, but there is room for a 160 meter dipole between the trees with the feed point at the flag pole.

73, Jerry, K0CQ

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