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Re: [TenTec] Narrow signal on 28.027620 MHz

To: ken.d.brown@hawaiiantel.net, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Narrow signal on 28.027620 MHz
From: John K3GHH <k3ghh@arrl.net>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:55:52 -0500
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Ken Brown wrote:
I found a very narrow heterodyne
What do you mean by "very narrow heterodyne?" Is it a single CW carrier? Why do you say it is very narrow? Is is so super pure that you can tell it has less noise around the center carrier than typical, so it is narrower than other CW carriers?

Or does the audio note it produces change more quickly than "normal" signals as you adjust your local oscillator (tuning) control?
Ken, on UCW the CW note (tuning up the band) is first heard as a high-pitched tone at 28,027,618 Hz, falling in pitch until it disappears at ...627 Hz (not audible at 628). On LCW, tunig up the band again, it is first heard as a low-pitched tone at 619 Hz and the last frequency at which it is audible as a high-pitched tone is 627 Hz. My "very narrow" adjective is relative to CW signals I've been copying for 50 years: I've never heard a signal only 9 Hz (per sideband) wide. I do not know the difference between judging that the signal is "very narrow" and that "the audio note... changes more quickly than 'normal'"; the latter is how I judge the former.

If the audio note changes more quickly than normal, then it is a birdie. Birdies are products generated by undesired mixes of components, harmonics for instance, of the various local oscillators in your receiver. If one of the components mixing together to generate the birdie is a harmonic of the local oscillator controlled by the main tuning, then the audio tone it produces will change 2X, 3X, 4X, or whatever harmonic number it is, as fast as a normal signal. When local oscillators in receivers were not locked to stable reference oscillators, these spurious responses would warble, tweet or chirp as the LO frequency changed due to mechanical, thermal or power supply instabilities. ( I have not found a historical reference to back this up, but I think this is why they came to be called "birdies". With local oscillators nowadays locked to super stable reference oscillators, birdies no longer chirp, they just whistle.)
just one sideband
Any real signal should be heard with the receiver operating in either sideband mode. If a birdie or other spurious response is detected only in one sideband, then it would most likely have something to do with a spur or harmonic of the BFO in an analog product detector type of receiver. Use a different BFO frequency and the birdie moves. The Orion is a DSP radio, so it may have to do with aliasing that occurs in one sideband detection mode and not the other.
from 28,027,618 to 28,027,627 Hz. (With my step set normally at 10 Hz, it was audible only at 28,027,620 Hz.) Anyone know its source?
The first thing I would do is try to determine whether it is an internally generated product of the receiver, involving no outside sources. Disconnect the antenna and see if it goes away.

It does not go away; same signal strength (I'd give it about a 7 on our RST scale).
Since others have said their identical mode receiver does not hear it, then it could be a spurious response of some real signal that is strong in your area and not where the other guy tried to hear it. If it does involve a signal coming from outside on the antenna port, then a lot can be learned by determining how the strength of the spurious response varies as known amounts of antenna input attenuation are added. Does adding a 10 dB pad to the antenna input make the spurious response drop 10 dB, 20 dB or 30 dB?
I don't know how to add attenuation at the antenna; are these the step attenuators I've seen that some QRP operators use to reduce their output power?
DE N6KB

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I am going to try turning off other electrical gear near the transceiver (computer, principally) and see if that makes a difference.

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John, K3GHH


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