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Re: [TenTec] O2 output level with PSK aux

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] O2 output level with PSK aux
From: "Ron Castro" <ronc@sonic.net>
Reply-to: Ron Castro <ronc@sonic.net>, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:41:39 -0800
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I observed the same things in my O2 regarding the power output readings. While the meter only seems to be accurate at the 100 Watt level, the power setting control is amazingly accurate. Using both a Bird 43 and a Telepost LP-100 the settings agree with the true output power within 2% to 5% from about 20 Watts to 100 Watts CW out.

        Ron  N6IE
     www.N6IE.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Merle Bone" <merlebone@charter.net>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] O2 output level with PSK aux


I think it is very hard to know what the "power readings" of the Orion meter
really mean. Actually, most,
if not all, of the Orion meter readings are "relative." The power meter
description says"
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ANALOG METER
In transmit, the meter shows approximate output power (+/- 5%). The power
meter is
a sampling-type meter and will stay more or less constant when sampling
power output,
particularly when the transceiver is used in CW mode."
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I take from this description that the meter is "some form" of average
reading meter. All Orion/Orion II
meter readings are really from "calculated" numbers from the DSP and then,
through a Digital to Analog
converter, drive the analog meter. "Average" meter readings are always a
function of the "averaging time constants"
in the meter and the "time varying levels" of the waveform being measured.
These are almost never the same
and, unless you are using a "very high sampling rate meter" - like the
LP-100- that then does the math to
compute an average, the readings are - at best - relative and approximate.

I never use the Orion meter to give me power readings, except on CW, because
I have never figured out what
they really meant. I think on "time varying signals," you are better off to
use an external "peak reading meter"
to set the Orion peak power and then accept the average power that results
from the time varying input signal.
If there is concern for "intermodulation distortion," then you can reduce
the peak Orion RF power to a level where
you believe the Orion will be "most linear," - maybe down 3dB to 6dB below
the Orion's rated RF power output.
Of course, this doesn't ensure a clean output signal. You can reduce the
Orion RF peak power output and still have
an audio overdrive situation - creating signal distortion in the audio
before it gets to the RF drive of the Orion.
In the case of signals that are very sensitive to distortion, such as PSK31,
an external monitor - such as the
"PSK31 Meter" display monitor may be more useful then power meters to assure
a good output signal. If you
have a time varying signal like voice, then you can use the Orion
compression, with a high sampling rate, - which
is some of the best I have ever seen for voice (See
http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/TenTec/2009-02/msg00075.html )
- to increase the average RF Orion output power. The Orion meter still  is
only giving a "relative" power measurement.
73, Merle - W0EWM


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