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Re: [TenTec] re Trees

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] re Trees
From: "Dave, K2DP" <k2dp@charter.net>
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Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:00:42 -0600
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OM's,

I can assure you that running a dipole through a tree can cause RF to arc to the branches and burn/ignite a branch on the tree. It depends upon how you are feeding the antenna (coax vs open wire feeders) and where the current and voltage nodes appear throughout the length of the antenna. With QRO and shortened antennas fed with ladder line and high power, you can create significant current and voltage nodes where the element wire runs adjacent to tree branches. This occurs even with insulated wire. This morning, I am about to add some ADDITIONAL insulation to my modified Alpha Delta 100 foot long 40/80/160 mtr inverted V which I feed with Ladder line, using vinyl tubing bought in your local plumbing department. Hopefully, that will provide enough insulation for the portion of the element wire that runs through the tree in my front yard, lest I too have a "burning bush" at my house.

By the way, whatever little attenuation the tree imparts to my signal, has not limited me from working the world on 75/80 mtrs this winter, so enough signal is definitely getting out from St. Louis to Europe, Africa and the Pacific.

73,
Dave, K2DP
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Atkinson, K5UJ" <k5uj@hotmail.com>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 7:51 AM
Subject: [TenTec] re Trees


The topic of trees has come up elsewhere (towertalk and a broadcast
reflector i read) and i can say from reading them that the consensus is that
trees attenuate RF if they are in the near field.   this is why mw and sw
broadcasters clear trees off their sites but, it isn't always such a big
problem that you should abandon the idea of putting your vertical dipole
amongst them.   I would be more concerned about pine tree contact with the
high v. end of ur dipole and burning.   Have not experienced this myself
(and being a chicken i hired a guy to trim a pine tree away from part of my loop) and nothing may happen in your case, but if i were you and i ran QRO,
i'd rest easier if I could position the wire so that it's a few feet from
any branches and needles, or if that isn't possible, trim anything making
contact back a few feet.   Some guys say they get around this by using
insulated wire, but I have also read that the insulation can rub off
eventually.

rob / k5uj

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