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Re: [TenTec] Keyers?

To: Steve Baron - KB3MM <SteveBaron@StarLinX.com>, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Keyers?
From: Gary Tuck <gtuck@mac.com>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:55:43 -0700
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Nope Steve. I had been using the internal Orion keyer without difficulty. I sent the Orion back to TT for service Friday. I then fired up my old TS 850S and tried its internal keyer. I had some difficulty adjusting it and sent an extraneous dit here and there besides. So, I asked the List about which external keyers folks were using. I built my my old keyer in the mid 70's--a Heathkit HD 1410 which I used with my HW 101 and a string of good Kenwood rigs. Later I re-wired it to use an external paddle. I am ready to move on to a keyer with a few more features than the Heathkit and thought I'd ask what folks were using. Then I can use the same keyer with both the Orion and the TS850S.

73, Gary W7TEA



On Apr 3, 2005, at 6:58 PM, Steve Baron - KB3MM wrote:

Maybe I am confused but do not understand why keyer brand model is so
important.

Never used the Orion keyer until about 5 minutes ago. Unplugged my Bencher
paddles from the Logi keyer ,
plugged it into the front panel, set the Mode to B and away it went.

I cannot tell any difference bewteen the Logi keyer and the Orion keyer.

What am I missing >?

Is it posible you are talking about an electronic keyer going into the
Orion's keyer input and fighting with it ?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Brown" <ken.d.brown@verizon.net>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 19:38
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Keyers?


Steve wrote:

Gary:
I am sure that any keyer would work with the Orion including your old
Heathkit keyer. The rig has nothing to do with your "struggle".

Steve


Gary wrote:

For years I used an old Heathkit keyer but switched over to the keyer in the Orion last fall. Now the 850 keyer is a struggle to get right.

Hi Steve and all,

I think what Gary is observing is that every keyer seems to be a bit
different, and once you get used to one, having used it for a long
while, it is difficult to switch to another keyer. I think Gary realizes
that just about any keyer can be hooked up to the Orion or the TS-850
and be made to work. The problem is not whether the keyer "works" but
rather whether the operator can "work the keyer" proficiently. Once you
get used to one keyer it can be hard to switch to another.

I have noticed difficulty switching between the Omni VI internal keyer
and the Logikey K-3. I have them both set to mode B, but they do not
work exactly identically. There seems to be some differences in the
timing of the "window of opportunity" for adding trailing dits or
inserting dits. The difference in operation is very difficult to
analyze, because as soon as you start focusing on it, the problem seems
to either go away or change. This is probably due to minor changes in
timing of the operator's actuation of the paddles.

Does anyone know if there is an "official" definition of exactly what
mode A and mode B iambic keying are? Are there any specific parameters
stated by any keyer manufacturer as to the timing of the paddle inputs
versus the keyer outputs? I have never seen any such specifications, and
I suspect that minor differences between brands is what gives some
people trouble switching from one keyer to another. I find it
interesting that it seems the transition from one model to another can
seem smooth and not even noticable to the operator, and then after
becoming accustomed to the second keyer, switching back to the first one
can be very difficult. What is it that makes it easy to adjust in one
direction and difficult in the other?

To answer your question Gary: I like the Idiom Press Logikeyer K-3 best.

73 DE N6KB


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