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Re: [CQ-Contest] Connected but not assisted

To: JP <jp@ezoom.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Connected but not assisted
From: kq2m@kq2m.com
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 18:22:19 -0500
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JP,

If you are going to quote me, then at least make a good-faith
attempt to get it right.

from my previous post:

"First, the ARRL, when whomever decided unilaterally to treat remote the
same as just using a keyer, they did so without ANY open discussion with the contesting community. It was simply included DE FACTO. No notice, no discussion, NOTHING that
I ever saw.

Had remote operating been openly discussed by the ARRL at that time, I
would have formally made my objection TO THE ARRL at that time to REMOTE NOT being in it's
own separate REMOTE category.

REMOTE would have it's own NON-Assisted and Assisted categories of
course."

Bob, KQ2M



On 2024-03-17 10:00, JP wrote:
NOT according TO KQ2M. AND you KNOW he’s SERIOUS because he’s SAID SO.

I love all the passion over ham radio points.

J.P. W2XX

On Mar 17, 2024, at 5:19 AM, Hal Offutt <hal@japancorporateresearch.com> wrote:

Hold on, guys,

Please don't lump remote operating with assisted operating. They are totally different animals. Remote is simply a means to operate a station, whether it's in your basement or on the other side of the world. It does not confer any kind of advantage. Paul Bourque's description is perfect: remote is merely a long mic (key) cord.

73, Hal W1NN

Remoting my station in Ohio from Tokyo since 2011 (and always unassisted)


On 3/17/2024 3:31 AM, Stewart G. Hoar wrote:
Paul's "connected" suggestion offers an honest description of contesters who choose to increase their fun by adding internet support to traditional radio communications. Some of us enjoy old fashioned (pre-internet) contesting, many others enjoy the boost that spotting networks, remote operation, and online scoreboards have added to our hobby.

We don't need another category, but I think replacing "assisted" with "connected" is a fine idea.

73  Stu  N7ZZ

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From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+stuhoar=msn.com@contesting.com> on behalf of Paul O'Kane <pokane@ei5di.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 6:59 AM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Assisted or Connected

It seems to me that the term "Assisted" is outdated, as it predates the
internet (remember packet cluster).  In any case, all relevant
technology assists, leading to never-ending debate about what should, or
should not, be regarded as Assisted.

The term "Connnected" describes it better. When you connect to an
external (to your station) network for the purpose of finding,
facilitating, or making QSOs, you are Connected. When you spot others, you are Connected - because you are advertising your presence over the
internet.  Self-spotting is Connected.

Remote entrants are Connected because, by definition, they are obliged
to connect to an external network.

If you prefer to enter as Unconnected, then stay away from the internet
while contesting.

73,
Paul EI5DI

ps - for completeness and consistency, the use of multi-channel CW
decoders would continue to be regarded as "Connected".

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