Who is going to check the spots/spotters? How exactly do you know who I
am on the cluster? Anyone can use whatever call they want on nearly or
all spotting networks. There is no registration and from what I
understand there never will be. It would be yet another rule that is
very difficult to enforce. Creating complex rules outside the control
of the sponsor is asking for trouble. I have no issue with self
spotting and the rules should be as simple as possible.
I don't think we change the rules because someone figured out how to get
around a spot filter. That is pretty smart. Program filters are well
outside the rules. Let the spotting networks deal with this if they
believe it is an issue or the logging filter programs.
Who has the right to tell cluster/spotting server or users how to use
those products? My cluster my computer my internet my money.... I
suppose the sponsors could create their own spotting networks with their
own rules but that is not going to happen either.
Many of the spotting networks have dupe timers so that a station can
only be spotted once every X minutes.
I am trying to figure out who exactly got harmed with this?
W0MU
On 3/10/2024 4:10 PM, kq2m@kq2m.com wrote:
A year ago, I cited and took issue with a well-known contester in New
England who was self-spotting in a DX contest
under a foreign call. It was disingenuous at best, as well as being
unnecessary.
And, on BOTH modes of ARRLDX this year, there were quite a number of
contesters all throughout the US
who were self-spotting under other people's calls.
Self-spotting, whether we like it or not, is LEGAL under ARRLDX
rules. I don't like it and still have
mixed feelings about doing it, but I do it, and do it honestly. I
self-spot KQ2M ONLY with KQ2M as the spotter.
I feel strongly that if you are going to self-spot, be
straight-forward about it and do it ONLY
under your own call.
I would like to see the ARRL adopt a new rule: "SELF-SPOTTING" is
allowed ONLY by the
operator and ONLY using the operator's callsign. Self-spotting with a
callsign other than the
operator is considered to be a violation of the rules and may result
in disqualification"
There. Simple enough.
I would urge the adoption of a similar rule by any contest committees
that have decided to allow
self-spotting.
73
Bob, KQ2M
On 2024-03-10 14:16, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
I have thought about the use of call sign prefixes from other
countries to
defeat others filters while self spotting and feel this is a dishonest
loophole that should be closed. Crafty? No I don’t think so, and
opens up
an entire Pandora’s box of what can be manipulated in the cluster
networks. And it’s essentially a false statement and should result in a
DQ. This self spotting experiment will get out of hand very quick if
this
is allowed to continue. A simple rule addition stating that you must
use
Your operating call to self spot (without false prefix) will solve this
micro issue, but there are other nefarious things possible with this
self
spotting rule and the existing cluster network. honestly am a little
disappointed with the usually highly respected contesters that chose to
exploit this loophole to the detriment of their competitors.
Chris
N6WM
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