Ummm …..there are only 40 zones in CQWW…..maybe thats the problem….
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> On Nov 11, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Ray Mikula <rmikula@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> I’m the original poster of this question and since there has been so much
> response I thought I would post more details and what I’ve learned so far.
>
> To summarize my prior posting. I live in the Chicago area and my fellow ham
> friend lives in the Richmond VA area. We both worked CQ WW DX SSB contest.
> Our skill levels are similar, we both ran about 1KW, we both exclusively did
> S&P, both spent a similar amount of time on the air (maybe 15 hours). We
> both have tri band beams on the top of our house although his maybe 10 feet
> further up.
>
> We ended up with almost identical scores around 230,000 however, I has more
> contacts and he did hugely better with the multipliers. I was surprised
> because I was focused very heavily on multipliers.
>
> I used N1MM and VE7CC as my cluster. Friday night I worked 40m. Saturday
> mid morning I started on 15m, switched to 10m the 20m and then bounced
> between the 3 bands. I was very reliant on spots which probably accounted
> for 90% of my qsos. I had, what for me was a very good rate. My technique
> was to sort multipliers by beam heading. Pick mults off and then rotate the
> beam a bit.
>
> I spoke with my friend and he was heavily focused on working his way up and
> down the band. I would guess that 80% of his contacts were based from going
> up and down the band and maybe 15% were based on spots. He did not keep
> track of multipliers other than 2 or 3 that were considered difficult.
>
> The end result is as follows;
>
> For me in Chicago area:
> 40m 66 qso 17 zones 37 cty
> 20m 103 qso 24 zones 50 cty
> 15m 133 qso 22 zones 61 cty
> 10m 49 qso 11 zones 21 cty
>
> For friend in Richmond VA;
> 40m 32 qso 31 zones 32 cty
> 20m 29 qso 27 zones 29 cty
> 15m 73 qso 73 zones 73 cty
> 10m 63 qso 61 zones 63 cty
>
> What jumps out for me is the difference in number of more zones worked from
> Richmond VA especially on 10m and 15m. 3X more on 15 meters and 5X more on
> 10 meters. And I (Chicago) was focused on multipliers.
>
> The difference on 40m is partially due to antenna as I run an OCF dipole and
> he has a rotating dipole.
>
> So, what I’ve been trying to sort out is why the big difference in
> multipliers. What part is due to propagation, what part might be due to
> various multipliers not getting spotted and what is due to my strategy of
> focusing on spots.
>
> Thanks to all that have replied either directly or via the forum. Lots of
> good insights!
>
> Thanks and good contesting!
>
> 73,
> Ray
> W9NZ
>
>
>
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> 1. Re: Workiing Split in Contests (Richard F DiDonna NN3W)
> 2. "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block All Spots of
> Me" to the skimmer network?" (ko7ss@yahoo.com)
> 3. RE?: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
> (outlook_5B91DD2A0B96EAEA@outlook.com)
> 4. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
> (dimitri cosson)
> 5. Re: Workiing Split in Contests (Jim Brown)
> 6. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast (Steve London)
> 7. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
> (dimitri cosson)
> 8. NS RTTY this Thursday, 11 Nov in NA DON'T FORGET THE TIME
> CHANGE! (Ken K6MR)
> 9. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast (Weisz L?szl?)
> 10. Interest in CQWW - analysis (Mark - N5OT)
> 11. Re: "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block All Spots
> of Me" to the skimmer network?" (ktfrog007@aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 08:31:19 -0500
> From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w@gmail.com>
> To: jpescatore@aol.com
> Cc: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Workiing Split in Contests
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> Split is still done on 40 meters and 80 meters owing to the mismatch in
> frequency allocations between R2 and R1/R3. Split was done a -little- at
> the bottom of cycles 23 and 24 on 20 meters but that was met with some
> pretty strong objections by those claiming that it took up two frequencies
> (especially in CQWW).
>
> 73 Rich NN3W
>
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 7:27 AM K3TN via CQ-Contest <
>> cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't think working split will work well in any major contest.
>> Almost inevitably, someone will start CQing on the listening frequency (or
>> someone already was listening on that chosen listening frequency.) He will
>> hear the other stations calling, think they are calling him, call them and
>> act as QRM on your listening freq. If he is loud enough, he will get
>> spotted, start working stations that come to the freq and you will start
>> hearing stations calling him, but think they are calling you!
>> This is what pretty much seems to happen just about any time a DXpedition
>> goes split during a major contest where the bands are crowded. Might work
>> in QSO parties for mobiles - when mobiles hit new counties, the pileups are
>> short but awesome!
>> VY0ERC did a great job of working the pileup at his speed and most of the
>> NT stations over the years have evolved strategies for just QSYing when the
>> pileup gets out of control.
>> The worst part of those pileups are the stations calling who couldn't hear
>> the target on a clear frequency. Is there a way a station could enter a
>> "Block All Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?
>> 73 John K3TN
>>
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 14:19:26 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "ko7ss@yahoo.com" <ko7ss@yahoo.com>
> To: Reflector Cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block
> All Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?"
> Message-ID: <1876596976.1254974.1636467566786@mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> This option doesn't exist for the RBN as a whole, but at the individual
> skimmer level it
> is easy. One of the user defined parameters is "Blocked Calls" to prevent a
> skimmer
> from self spotting the owner in a contest.
>
> One older boy and his radio sent me an E-mail a few years ago asking to not be
> spotted on my skimmers and I set it up for him.
>
> Anyone else? I can send the list to the RBN ops group if desired....
>
> 73, Bill KO7SS
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 18:17:14 +0100
> From: "outlook_5B91DD2A0B96EAEA@outlook.com"
> <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>
> To: AB1J via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Cc: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] RE?: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
> Coast
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 19:41:17 +0100
> From: dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>
> To: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>
> Cc: john@kk9a.com,AB1J via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
> Coast
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> Hi Barry,
>
>
> Barry, W2UP wrote :
> <<<You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the opening
> to Europe.? That's where QSO points come from, because there's virtually an
> endless supply of Europeans to work.
> Start with the high bands.? Sunset in Europe is a constant for US ops.
> [...]
> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is making 3
> QSOs/minute with EU.? Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band is
> just opening in Phila.? And so on.? And of course, the opening is also
> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.? The EU high band opening closes
> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.>>>
>
>
> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports and form
> where it comes from :
>
> OE9GHV OH8FKK?? 7043.0? RTTY CQ 19 dB? 45 bps 1706z? 09 Nov
> WZ7I??????? TM3Z????? 21086.5? RTTY CQ?? 10 dB? 45 bps 1659z? 09 Nov
> WE9V????? TM3Z????? 21086.4? RTTY CQ? 20 dB? 45 bps 1658z? 09 Nov
> KO7SS??? TM3Z????? 21086.5. RTTY CQ ? 25 dB? 45 bps 1658z? 09 Nov
> W6YX.?? TM3Z????? 21086.5? RTTY CQ? 20 dB 45 bps 1658z? 09 Nov
> K1TTT.?? TM3Z????? 14099.1? RTTY CQ? 22 dB 45 bps 1657z? 09 Nov
>
> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by K1TTT
> in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's meadow
>
> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>
>
>
>
> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a ?crit:
>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>> opening
>> to Europe. That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>> virtually an
>> endless supply of Europeans to work.
>> Start with the high bands. Sunset in Europe is a constant for US ops.
>> However sunRISE is the key. Here are some examples of sunrise times
>> for
>> Nov 25:
>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
>>
>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is making 3
>> QSOs/minute with EU. Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band is
>> just opening in Phila. And so on. And of course, the opening is also
>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths. The EU high band opening
>> closes
>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>>
>> Then there are the low bands. Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same time
>> as
>> the sun rises across EU.
>>
>> Barry W2UP
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM <john@kk9a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I there is a huge
>>> difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside the
>> mileage
>>> difference east coast stations have their first skip over the
>> Atlantic
>>> ocean
>>> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to the Midwest
>> as the
>>> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin to Virginia and
>> then
>>> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're lucky to be in New
>>> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX contest.
>>>
>>> John KK9A
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>>>
>>> He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU (great
>> circle
>>> path)
>>> he might only have you by 100-200 miles (roughly)
>>> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so it's
>>> probably
>>> just that he's the better/quicker op. Nothing more.
>>>
>>> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East Coast/Midwest"
>> stuff
>>> going on here at all.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 11:40:10 -0800
> From: Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Workiing Split in Contests
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>> On 11/9/2021 5:31 AM, Richard F DiDonna NN3W wrote:
>> Split is still done on 40 meters and 80 meters owing to the mismatch in
>> frequency allocations between R2 and R1/R3.
>
> Yes, very good operating practice. What I object to is split on CW,
> where there are no such allocation issues.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 12:41:51 -0700
> From: Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com>
> To: dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>
> Cc: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>, john@kk9a.com, AB1J via
> CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
> Coast
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>
> Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any DX
> contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40, a
> rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300' towards
> Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
> experience to be humbling.
>
> 73,
> Steve, N2IC
>
>
>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports and
>> form where it comes from :
>>
>> OE9GHV OH8FKK 7043.0 RTTY CQ 19 dB 45 bps 1706z 09 Nov
>> WZ7I TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 10 dB 45 bps 1659z 09 Nov
>> WE9V TM3Z 21086.4 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>> KO7SS TM3Z 21086.5. RTTY CQ 25 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>> W6YX. TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>> K1TTT. TM3Z 14099.1 RTTY CQ 22 dB 45 bps 1657z 09 Nov
>>
>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by
>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
>> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's
>> meadow
>>
>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a ?crit:
>>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>>> opening
>>> to Europe. That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>>> virtually an
>>> endless supply of Europeans to work.
>>> Start with the high bands. Sunset in Europe is a constant for US ops.
>>> However sunRISE is the key. Here are some examples of sunrise times
>>> for
>>> Nov 25:
>>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
>>>
>>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is making 3
>>> QSOs/minute with EU. Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band is
>>> just opening in Phila. And so on. And of course, the opening is also
>>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths. The EU high band opening
>>> closes
>>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>>>
>>> Then there are the low bands. Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same time
>>> as
>>> the sun rises across EU.
>>>
>>> Barry W2UP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM <john@kk9a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I there is a huge
>>>> difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside the
>>> mileage
>>>> difference east coast stations have their first skip over the
>>> Atlantic
>>>> ocean
>>>> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to the Midwest
>>> as the
>>>> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin to Virginia and
>>> then
>>>> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're lucky to be in New
>>>> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX contest.
>>>>
>>>> John KK9A
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>>>>
>>>> He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU (great
>>> circle
>>>> path)
>>>> he might only have you by 100-200 miles (roughly)
>>>> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so it's
>>>> probably
>>>> just that he's the better/quicker op. Nothing more.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East Coast/Midwest"
>>> stuff
>>>> going on here at all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>>> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 21:18:43 +0100
> From: dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>
> To: Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com>
> Cc: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>,john@kk9a.com, AB1J via CQ-Contest
> <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
> Coast
> Message-ID: <b0acff6b-7878-486d-8b4e-19d4ef06cb08@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Steve,
>
> <<<
> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>>>>
>
> 1) Because the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look on?
> reversebeacon.net and read the list of skimmers online (and on what bands)...
> 2) Read again the full Barry's e.mail
>
> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK
>
> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 20:42, ? 20:42, Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> a ?crit:
>> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>>
>> Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any
>> DX
>> contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40,
>> a
>> rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300'
>> towards
>> Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
>> experience to be humbling.
>>
>> 73,
>> Steve, N2IC
>>
>>
>>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
>>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports
>> and
>>> form where it comes from :
>>>
>>> OE9GHV OH8FKK 7043.0 RTTY CQ 19 dB 45 bps 1706z 09 Nov
>>> WZ7I TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 10 dB 45 bps 1659z 09 Nov
>>> WE9V TM3Z 21086.4 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>>> KO7SS TM3Z 21086.5. RTTY CQ 25 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>>> W6YX. TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>>> K1TTT. TM3Z 14099.1 RTTY CQ 22 dB 45 bps 1657z 09 Nov
>>>
>>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by
>>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
>>> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's
>>> meadow
>>>
>>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a
>> ?crit:
>>>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>>>> opening
>>>> to Europe. That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>>>> virtually an
>>>> endless supply of Europeans to work.
>>>> Start with the high bands. Sunset in Europe is a constant for US
>> ops.
>>>> However sunRISE is the key. Here are some examples of sunrise times
>>>> for
>>>> Nov 25:
>>>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>>>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>>>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>>>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
>>>>
>>>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is
>> making 3
>>>> QSOs/minute with EU. Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band
>> is
>>>> just opening in Phila. And so on. And of course, the opening is
>> also
>>>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths. The EU high band opening
>>>> closes
>>>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>>>>
>>>> Then there are the low bands. Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>>>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same
>> time
>>>> as
>>>> the sun rises across EU.
>>>>
>>>> Barry W2UP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM <john@kk9a.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I there is a
>> huge
>>>>> difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside the
>>>> mileage
>>>>> difference east coast stations have their first skip over the
>>>> Atlantic
>>>>> ocean
>>>>> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to the
>> Midwest
>>>> as the
>>>>> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin to Virginia and
>>>> then
>>>>> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're lucky to be in
>> New
>>>>> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX contest.
>>>>>
>>>>> John KK9A
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU (great
>>>> circle
>>>>> path)
>>>>> he might only have you by 100-200 miles (roughly)
>>>>> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so
>> it's
>>>>> probably
>>>>> just that he's the better/quicker op. Nothing more.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East
>> Coast/Midwest"
>>>> stuff
>>>>> going on here at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>>>> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>>> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>>
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 07:24:47 +0000
> From: Ken K6MR <k6mr@outlook.com>
> To: "rttydigital@groups.io" <rttydigital@groups.io>,
> "nccc-blue@groups.io" <nccc-blue@groups.io>, cq-contest
> <cq-contest@contesting.com>, "RTTY@groups.io" <RTTY@groups.io>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] NS RTTY this Thursday, 11 Nov in NA DON'T
> FORGET THE TIME CHANGE!
> Message-ID:
>
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> Greetings Diddlers,
>
> Back into double digit turnout last week. Welcome to first timer K0VW (neat
> call!), as well as AK2S and W4BBT who were back for more sprint fun.
>
>
>
> And yes, it?s that time again for most of us to adjust ourselves to that
> silly biannual government imposed ritual of messing with time. So even
> though the UTC times have not changed, those of you (and me) who are
> subjected to this craziness must adjust our day. Put a yellow sticky on the
> monitor, set an alarm, whatever you need to do to remember to show up an hour
> earlier local time. Except of course you lucky folks who are in states that
> have sane management. Anyway, don?t forget. If no one is around when you
> start CQing, you are too late!
>
>
>
> The upcoming weekend has a biggie of the RTTY world: WAE DX RTTY! This one
> gives everyone a chance to play and makes QTCs a bit more fun. So warm up the
> diddle machine and join us Thursday evening to make sure everything is up to
> snuff for the weekend.
>
>
>
> The details of our little get together:
>
>
>
> Friday, 12 Nov 2021, 0145Z - 0215Z (Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 in NA)
> -- 1745 - 1815 PST
> -- 2045 - 2115 EST
> -- (others in-between those two)
> -- 160: Around 1805 (Last two to five minutes seem to be popular?)
> -- 80/40/20/15 +84 kHz up from the band edge <--NOTE
> -- Same band dupes ok after 1 intervening Q.
> -- 1 kHz QSY rule, otherwise standard Sprint rules
> -- Mults per band.
> -- 100W power limit
>
> Please visit http://www.ncccsprint.com/rttyns.html for complete rules and
> links to other info. If you find any problems with the web pages, please let
> me know so we can get them fixed.
>
> If you would like to receive all the latest info about NS as well as a have a
> place for comments and questions, sign up for the NS mailing list:
> https://groups.io/g/nccc-blue
>
> Contestonlinescore.com has a slot set up for us if you?d like to make sure
> your logger is talking to the world. Select NCCC NA RTTY Sprint.
>
> Report scores to 3830scores.com, and join us at 0300Z on 3610 kHz (+/- a few
> for ongoing groups) for comments and questions (and dinner menus).
>
> Don?t forget to check out RTTYops Weekday and Weekend Sprints.
> Tuesday/Thursday/Sunday (in NA) for you hopelessly addicted Sprinters.
>
> Diddle diddle,
>
> Ken K6MR
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 09:01:10 +0100
> From: Weisz L?szl? <ha3nu@tolna.net>
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
> Coast
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> GM,
>
> MW vs East Coast
>
> Here in Eu we have the same situation: West Coast (EU) vs. Central Eu. I
> agree with Steve N2IC and Barry W2UP: one from Central Eu is not able to
> reach the same results with a big monobander like TM3Z with his? 3el on
> 21MHz. Eg. in case we have a 6 hours opening for US that means only
> about 30 mins to west coast (but in good conditions only) and of course
> G/EI/F/EA/CT etc. friends have7-8 hours opening in the same time with
> much bigger West Coast opening .? Same situation with North vs. South.
> Dimitri: "the propagation in the real world..." is the propagation what
> you have in France but not in Central/East Eu.
>
> We have to live together with this fact.
>
> 73 Lacy HA3NU/HG3R
>
>
>> On 2021. 11. 09. 21:18, dimitri cosson wrote:
>> Steve,
>>
>> <<<
>> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>> 1) Because the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look on?
>> reversebeacon.net and read the list of skimmers online (and on what bands)...
>> 2) Read again the full Barry's e.mail
>>
>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK
>>
>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 20:42, ? 20:42, Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> a ?crit:
>>> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>>>
>>> Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any
>>> DX
>>> contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40,
>>> a
>>> rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300'
>>> towards
>>> Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
>>> experience to be humbling.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Steve, N2IC
>>>
>>>
>>>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
>>>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports
>>> and
>>>> form where it comes from :
>>>>
>>>> OE9GHV OH8FKK 7043.0 RTTY CQ 19 dB 45 bps 1706z 09 Nov
>>>> WZ7I TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 10 dB 45 bps 1659z 09 Nov
>>>> WE9V TM3Z 21086.4 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>>>> KO7SS TM3Z 21086.5. RTTY CQ 25 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>>>> W6YX. TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>>>> K1TTT. TM3Z 14099.1 RTTY CQ 22 dB 45 bps 1657z 09 Nov
>>>>
>>>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by
>>>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
>>>> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's
>>>> meadow
>>>>
>>>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a
>>> ?crit:
>>>>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>>>>> opening
>>>>> to Europe. That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>>>>> virtually an
>>>>> endless supply of Europeans to work.
>>>>> Start with the high bands. Sunset in Europe is a constant for US
>>> ops.
>>>>> However sunRISE is the key. Here are some examples of sunrise times
>>>>> for
>>>>> Nov 25:
>>>>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>>>>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>>>>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>>>>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is
>>> making 3
>>>>> QSOs/minute with EU. Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band
>>> is
>>>>> just opening in Phila. And so on. And of course, the opening is
>>> also
>>>>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths. The EU high band opening
>>>>> closes
>>>>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then there are the low bands. Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>>>>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same
>>> time
>>>>> as
>>>>> the sun rises across EU.
>>>>>
>>>>> Barry W2UP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 10:23:20 -0600
> From: Mark - N5OT <r-emails@n5ot.com>
> To: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Interest in CQWW - analysis
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> K9YC wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your offer, Mark. It could be a lot of work. The words I
> chose are descriptive, not quantitative. They will be defined
> quantitatively by work like you have volunteered to do!
>
> Thanks Jim for such a gracious response.
>
> We can split hair about the word "most" but these numbers below show a
> definition of "most" can mean "less than half" which I think was why I
> asked in the first place (since "most" is commonly thought of as "more
> than half").? As far as measuring degree of turn-on, well, that is above
> my pay-grade.? How does the old quote go, "I know it when I see it."?
> Apparently so does Jim but we both measure it differently.? Someone else
> can tackle that one.? As Ken AB1J posted, a survey could determine
> attitudes.
>
> In the interest of crowd-sourcing what could be an interesting
> discussion amongst the enlightened here, I present some basic numbers
> for last year's CQWW Phone contest (all gleaned from Dr. Google and her
> World Wide Internet).? The data is at the end of this email.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> ?Analysis:
>
> 1.87% of all hams on the West Coast got on for the contest.
>
> 2.92% of all hams on the East Coast got on for the contest.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> Definitions:
>
> "All hams" means all hams who have a General, Advanced or Extra-class
> license
>
> "Got on for the contest" means their callsign appeared at least once in
> a submitted log
>
> "West Coast" means California, Oregon and Washington
>
> "East Coast" means W1, W2 and W3
>
> "Interest" means percentage of all hams who got on for the contest
>
> "Greater interest" means the percentage is higher
>
> For the purpose of this email, "hams" and "stations" and "callsigns" are
> all interchangeable.? No allowance was made for the number of operators
> who may have been on the air using a particular callsign, nor for their
> license class.? (e.g. Multiop entries).
>
> - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> Other interesting gleanings:
>
> Based on the percentage of hams who got on for the contest:
>
> Illinois showed greater interest than New York
> Arizona showed greater interest than Georgia
>
> The top five in order (by percentage) were NH, RI, DE, NJ followed by
> MINNESOTA
>
> Measured by actual number of stations on the air:
>
> California had more hams on for the contest than any other state
> Florida was #2
> Texas was #3
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> Interesting that more people in 5th-ranked Minnesota got on for the CQWW
> than people in Connecticut, whether you measure it by percentage OR
> number of operators.? Conclusion: Hams in Minnesota are more easily
> turned on than hams in Connecticut.
>
> Data follows.? If you want to sort the columns yourself click this link
> to download this simple spreadsheet:
>
> http://www.n5ot.com/CQWW/2020-CQWW-Interest-Analysis-Data.xlsx
>
> 73 - Mark N5OT
> P.S. My work here is finished
>
>
> Data for 2021 CQWW Phone
> STATE NUMBER OF STATIONS THAT GOT ON FOR THE CONTEST NUMBER OF
> GENERAL, ADVANCED AND EXTRA-CLASS LICENSEES PERCENTAGE OF GENERAL,
> ADVANCED AND EXTRA-CLASS LICENSEES WHO GOT ON FOR THE CONTEST
> AK 1 1567 0.06%
> AL 116 6128 1.89%
> AR 67 3790 1.77%
> AZ 238 10100 2.36%
> CA 758 42789 1.77%
> CO 160 7408 2.16%
> CT 129 4313 2.99%
> DE 31 938 3.30%
> FL 510 27702 1.84%
> GA 204 8844 2.31%
> IA 72 3888 1.85%
> ID 55 2821 1.95%
> IL 326 11904 2.74%
> IN 168 8167 2.06%
> KS 57 3841 1.48%
> KY 96 4651 2.06%
> LA 61 3699 1.65%
> MA 229 7881 2.91%
> MD 178 6080 2.93%
> ME 66 2692 2.45%
> MI 236 11640 2.03%
> MN 183 6094 3.00%
> MO 132 7418 1.78%
> MS 51 2737 1.86%
> MT 31 1750 1.77%
> NC 267 11082 2.41%
> ND 16 803 1.99%
> NE 35 2266 1.54%
> NH 105 2887 3.64%
> NJ 267 8308 3.21%
> NM 46 2971 1.55%
> NV 62 3260 1.90%
> NY 433 16165 2.68%
> OH 332 15913 2.09%
> OK 77 4755 1.62%
> OR 163 7964 2.05%
> PA 415 14019 2.96%
> RI 43 1200 3.58%
> SC 120 4909 2.44%
> SD 19 1157 1.64%
> TN 190 8931 2.13%
> TX 457 24796 1.84%
> UT 68 3608 1.88%
> VA 285 9949 2.86%
> VT 24 1153 2.08%
> WA 271 13120 2.07%
> WI 184 6200 2.97%
> WV 66 2967 2.22%
> WY 22 923 2.38%
> Grand Total 8122 368148 2.21%
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 16:32:37 +0000 (UTC)
> From: ktfrog007@aol.com
> To: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] "Is there a way a station could enter a
> "Block All Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?"
> Message-ID: <425385538.1269565.1636561957810@mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> If there were an option to block all skimmer and cluster spots, do you think
> any top contest stations would do it in contests?
>
> And if so, why?
>
> 73,
> Ken, AB1J
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ko7ss--- via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> To: Reflector Cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 9, 2021 2:19 pm
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block All
> Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?"
>
> This option doesn't exist for the RBN as a whole, but at the individual
> skimmer level it
> is easy. One of the user defined parameters is "Blocked Calls" to prevent a
> skimmer
> from self spotting the owner in a contest.
>
> One older boy and his radio sent me an E-mail a few years ago asking to not be
> spotted on my skimmers and I set it up for him.
>
> Anyone else? I can send the list to the RBN ops group if desired....
>
> 73, Bill KO7SS
>
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