Better check his zone total on 15 and 20. There are only 40 total to work73
John AF5CC Sent via the Samsung Galaxy A10e, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Ray Mikula <rmikula@sbcglobal.net>
Date: 11/11/21 11:56 AM (GMT-06:00) To: cq-contest@contesting.com Subject:
Re: [CQ-Contest] UPDATE: CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast I’m the original
poster of this question and since there has been so much response I thought I
would post more details and what I’ve learned so far.To summarize my prior
posting. I live in the Chicago area and my fellow ham friend lives in the
Richmond VA area. We both worked CQ WW DX SSB contest. Our skill levels are
similar, we both ran about 1KW, we both exclusively did S&P, both spent a
similar amount of time on the air (maybe 15 hours). We both have tri band
beams on the top of our house although his maybe 10 feet further up.We ended up
with almost identical scores around 230,000 however, I has more contacts and he
did hugely better with the multipliers. I was surprised because I was focused
very heavily on multipliers.I used N1MM and VE7CC as my cluster. Friday night
I worked 40m. Saturday mid morning I started on 15m, switched to 10m the 20m
and then bounced between the 3 bands. I was very reliant on spots which
probably accounted for 90% of my qsos. I had, what for me was a very good
rate. My technique was to sort multipliers by beam heading. Pick mults off
and then rotate the beam a bit.I spoke with my friend and he was heavily
focused on working his way up and down the band. I would guess that 80% of his
contacts were based from going up and down the band and maybe 15% were based on
spots. He did not keep track of multipliers other than 2 or 3 that were
considered difficult.The end result is as follows; For me in Chicago area:40m
66 qso 17 zones 37 cty20m 103 qso 24 zones 50 cty15m 133 qso 22 zones 61
cty10m 49 qso 11 zones 21 ctyFor friend in Richmond VA;40m 32 qso 31
zones 32 cty20m 29 qso 27 zones 29 cty15m 73 qso 73 zones 73 cty10m 63
qso 61 zones 63 ctyWhat jumps out for me is the difference in number of more
zones worked from Richmond VA especially on 10m and 15m. 3X more on 15 meters
and 5X more on 10 meters. And I (Chicago) was focused on multipliers.The
difference on 40m is partially due to antenna as I run an OCF dipole and he has
a rotating dipole.So, what I’ve been trying to sort out is why the big
difference in multipliers. What part is due to propagation, what part might be
due to various multipliers not getting spotted and what is due to my strategy
of focusing on spots.Thanks to all that have replied either directly or via the
forum. Lots of good insights!Thanks and good contesting!73,RayW9NZSent from
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1. Re: Workiing Split in Contests (Richard F DiDonna NN3W) 2. "Is there a way
a station could enter a "Block All Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?"
(ko7ss@yahoo.com) 3. RE?: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
(outlook_5B91DD2A0B96EAEA@outlook.com) 4. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB
Midwest vs East Coast (dimitri cosson) 5. Re: Workiing Split in Contests
(Jim Brown) 6. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast (Steve
London) 7. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast (dimitri
cosson) 8. NS RTTY this Thursday, 11 Nov in NA DON'T FORGET THE TIME
CHANGE! (Ken K6MR) 9. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
(Weisz L?szl?) 10. Interest in CQWW - analysis (Mark - N5OT) 11. Re: "Is
there a way a station could enter a "Block All Spots of Me" to the skimmer
network?"
(ktfrog007@aol.com)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message:
1Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 08:31:19 -0500From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W
<richnn3w@gmail.com>To: jpescatore@aol.comCc: "cq-contest@contesting.com"
<cq-contest@contesting.com>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Workiing Split in
ContestsMessage-ID:
<CACeNTbJh654CTJoS9dB1S0p7ghsGgkYocsRdGOB+Kkbng0iaqA@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="UTF-8"Split is still done on 40 meters and 80 meters
owing to the mismatch infrequency allocations between R2 and R1/R3. Split was
done a -little- atthe bottom of cycles 23 and 24 on 20 meters but that was met
with somepretty strong objections by those claiming that it took up two
frequencies(especially in CQWW).73 Rich NN3WOn Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 7:27 AM K3TN
via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:> I don't think working split
will work well in any major contest.> Almost inevitably, someone will start
CQing on the listening frequency (or> someone already was listening on that
chosen listening frequency.) He will> hear the other stations calling, think
they are calling him, call them and> act as QRM on your listening freq. If he
is loud enough, he will get> spotted, start working stations that come to the
freq and you will start> hearing stations calling him, but think they are
calling you!> This is what pretty much seems to happen just about any time a
DXpedition> goes split during a major contest where the bands are crowded.
Might work> in QSO parties for mobiles - when mobiles hit new counties, the
pileups are> short but awesome!> VY0ERC did a great job of working the pileup
at his speed and most of the> NT stations over the years have evolved
strategies for just QSYing when the> pileup gets out of control.> The worst
part of those pileups are the stations calling who couldn't hear> the target on
a clear frequency. Is there a way a station could enter a> "Block All Spots of
Me" to the skimmer network?> 73 John K3TN>>>
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2Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 14:19:26 +0000 (UTC)From: "ko7ss@yahoo.com"
<ko7ss@yahoo.com>To: Reflector Cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>Subject:
[CQ-Contest] "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block All Spots of Me"
to the skimmer network?"Message-ID:
<1876596976.1254974.1636467566786@mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=UTF-8This option doesn't exist for the RBN as a whole, but at the
individual skimmer level itis easy. One of the user defined parameters is
"Blocked Calls" to prevent a skimmerfrom self spotting the owner in a
contest.One older boy and his radio sent me an E-mail a few years ago asking to
not bespotted on my skimmers and I set it up for him.Anyone else? I can send
the list to the RBN ops group if desired....73, Bill
KO7SS------------------------------Message: 3Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 18:17:14
+0100From: "outlook_5B91DD2A0B96EAEA@outlook.com"
<dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>To: AB1J via CQ-Contest
<cq-contest@contesting.com>Cc: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>Subject:
[CQ-Contest] RE?: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East
CoastMessage-ID: <AAF5D027-6508-4DFD-8A6D-B90632F9C6A6@hxcore.ol>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"------------------------------Message: 4Date: Tue,
09 Nov 2021 19:41:17 +0100From: dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>To:
Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>Cc: john@kk9a.com,AB1J via CQ-Contest
<cq-contest@contesting.com>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB
Midwest vs East CoastMessage-ID:
<847bdcba-577f-489d-bf6e-2b033cf270ed@gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=UTF-8Hi Barry,Barry, W2UP wrote :<<<You guys are missing the most
important point: the duration of the openingto Europe.? That's where QSO points
come from, because there's virtually anendless supply of Europeans to
work.Start with the high bands.? Sunset in Europe is a constant for US
ops.[...]Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is making
3QSOs/minute with EU.? Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band isjust
opening in Phila.? And so on.? And of course, the opening is alsostronger and
deeper for the shorter paths.? The EU high band opening closesat the same time
for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.>>>You're missing something
Barry : the propagation in the real world...Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3
L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports and form where it comes from :OE9GHV OH8FKK??
7043.0? RTTY CQ 19 dB? 45 bps 1706z? 09 NovWZ7I??????? TM3Z????? 21086.5? RTTY
CQ?? 10 dB? 45 bps 1659z? 09 NovWE9V????? TM3Z????? 21086.4? RTTY CQ? 20 dB? 45
bps 1658z? 09 NovKO7SS??? TM3Z????? 21086.5. RTTY CQ ? 25 dB? 45 bps 1658z? 09
NovW6YX.?? TM3Z????? 21086.5? RTTY CQ? 20 dB 45 bps 1658z? 09 NovK1TTT.??
TM3Z????? 14099.1? RTTY CQ? 22 dB 45 bps 1657z? 09 Nov17.00z, it's now dark in
central France, and not a single dB heard by K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little
10db from PA and... west coast.Remember you, humans think that it's always
greener in the neighbor's meadow73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3ZLe 9 nov. 2021 ?
04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a ?crit:>You guys are missing
the most important point: the duration of the>opening>to Europe. That's where
QSO points come from, because there's>virtually an>endless supply of Europeans
to work.>Start with the high bands. Sunset in Europe is a constant for US
ops.>However sunRISE is the key. Here are some examples of sunrise
times>for>Nov 25:>Jonesport, ME 1140Z>Philadelphia, PA 1157Z>Pittsburgh, PA
1218Z (near LR)>Chicago, IL 1252Z>>Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a
decent station is making 3>QSOs/minute with EU. Jonesport has already made 60
QSOs as the band is>just opening in Phila. And so on. And of course, the
opening is also>stronger and deeper for the shorter paths. The EU high band
opening>closes>at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU
continent.>>Then there are the low bands. Sunset is earlier in Jonesport,
so>40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same
time>as>the sun rises across EU.>>Barry W2UP>>>>On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM
<john@kk9a.com> wrote:>>> I have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I
there is a huge>> difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside
the>mileage>> difference east coast stations have their first skip over
the>Atlantic>> ocean>> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to
the Midwest>as the>> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin to
Virginia and>then>> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're lucky to
be in New>> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX
contest.>>>> John KK9A>>>>>> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:>>>> He's only 618 miles SE
of you and as the crow flies to EU (great>circle>> path)>> he might only have
you by 100-200 miles (roughly)>> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW
than just EU) so it's>> probably>> just that he's the better/quicker op.
Nothing more.>>>> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East
Coast/Midwest">stuff>> going on here at all.>>>>>>
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http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>>_______________________________________________>CQ-Contest
mailing
list>CQ-Contest@contesting.com>http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest------------------------------Message:
5Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 11:40:10 -0800From: Jim Brown
<k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>To: cq-contest@contesting.comSubject: Re:
[CQ-Contest] Workiing Split in ContestsMessage-ID:
<37d802bd-efa5-1c69-5f73-4d276dea9c4c@audiosystemsgroup.com>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowedOn 11/9/2021 5:31 AM, Richard F DiDonna
NN3W wrote:> Split is still done on 40 meters and 80 meters owing to the
mismatch in> frequency allocations between R2 and R1/R3.Yes, very good
operating practice. What I object to is split on CW, where there are no such
allocation issues.73, Jim K9YC------------------------------Message: 6Date:
Tue, 9 Nov 2021 12:41:51 -0700From: Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com>To:
dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>Cc: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>,
john@kk9a.com, AB1J via CQ-Contest
<cq-contest@contesting.com>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB
Midwest vs East CoastMessage-ID:
<CAB7zQ=3M9Gv6N361UpgGvKGoXNL3G6NpAqhX=Ue2SAT4T3c6yg@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="UTF-8"1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at
that time ?2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.Dim, you
are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any DXcontest. I have
an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40, arotatable dipole at
110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300' towardsEurope), and an elevated
vertical on 160. I think you would find theexperience to be humbling.73,Steve,
N2IC> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...>
Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports and> form
where it comes from :>> OE9GHV OH8FKK 7043.0 RTTY CQ 19 dB 45 bps 1706z 09
Nov> WZ7I TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 10 dB 45 bps 1659z 09 Nov> WE9V
TM3Z 21086.4 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov> KO7SS TM3Z
21086.5. RTTY CQ 25 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov> W6YX. TM3Z 21086.5
RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov> K1TTT. TM3Z 14099.1 RTTY CQ 22 dB
45 bps 1657z 09 Nov>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a
single dB heard by> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west
coast.> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's>
meadow>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z>>>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry
W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a ?crit:> >You guys are missing the most important
point: the duration of the> >opening> >to Europe. That's where QSO points come
from, because there's> >virtually an> >endless supply of Europeans to work.>
>Start with the high bands. Sunset in Europe is a constant for US ops.>
>However sunRISE is the key. Here are some examples of sunrise times> >for>
>Nov 25:> >Jonesport, ME 1140Z> >Philadelphia, PA 1157Z> >Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z
(near LR)> >Chicago, IL 1252Z> >> >Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a
decent station is making 3> >QSOs/minute with EU. Jonesport has already made
60 QSOs as the band is> >just opening in Phila. And so on. And of course, the
opening is also> >stronger and deeper for the shorter paths. The EU high band
opening> >closes> >at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU
continent.> >> >Then there are the low bands. Sunset is earlier in Jonesport,
so> >40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same time>
>as> >the sun rises across EU.> >> >Barry W2UP> >> >> >> >On Mon, Nov 8, 2021
at 6:25 PM <john@kk9a.com> wrote:> >> >> I have operated many DX contests from
Illinois and I there is a huge> >> difference between east coast and midwest
propagation. Beside the> >mileage> >> difference east coast stations have their
first skip over the> >Atlantic> >> ocean> >> which I believe offers some
enhancement. We referred to the Midwest> >as the> >> black hole for a reason.
W9JA moved from Wisconsin to Virginia and> >then> >> incredibly Paul started
winning contests. You're lucky to be in New> >> Brunswick, it may be the ideal
location for the ARRL DX contest.> >>> >> John KK9A> >>> >>> >> Mike Smith
VE9AA wrote:> >>> >> He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU
(great> >circle> >> path)> >> he might only have you by 100-200 miles
(roughly)> >> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so
it's> >> probably> >> just that he's the better/quicker op. Nothing more.> >>>
>> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East Coast/Midwest">
>stuff> >> going on here at all.> >>> >>> >>
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7Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 21:18:43 +0100From: dimitri cosson
<dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>To: Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com>Cc: Barry W2UP
<w2up.co@gmail.com>,john@kk9a.com, AB1J via CQ-Contest
<cq-contest@contesting.com>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB
Midwest vs East CoastMessage-ID:
<b0acff6b-7878-486d-8b4e-19d4ef06cb08@gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=UTF-8Steve,<<<1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that
time ?2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.>>>1) Because
the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look on? reversebeacon.net
and read the list of skimmers online (and on what bands)...2) Read again the
full Barry's e.mail73 de Dimitri F4DSKLe 9 nov. 2021 ? 20:42, ? 20:42, Steve
London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> a ?crit:>1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15
meters at that time ?>2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX
contest.>>Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in
any>DX>contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on
10-40,>a>rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of
300'>towards>Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find
the>experience to be humbling.>>73,>Steve, N2IC>>>> You're missing something
Barry : the propagation in the real world...>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W,
3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports>and>> form where it comes from :>>>> OE9GHV
OH8FKK 7043.0 RTTY CQ 19 dB 45 bps 1706z 09 Nov>> WZ7I TM3Z
21086.5 RTTY CQ 10 dB 45 bps 1659z 09 Nov>> WE9V TM3Z 21086.4
RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov>> KO7SS TM3Z 21086.5. RTTY CQ 25
dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov>> W6YX. TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps
1658z 09 Nov>> K1TTT. TM3Z 14099.1 RTTY CQ 22 dB 45 bps 1657z 09
Nov>>>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by>>
K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.>> Remember
you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's>> meadow>>>> 73 de
Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z>>>>>>>>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP
<w2up.co@gmail.com> a>?crit:>> >You guys are missing the most important point:
the duration of the>> >opening>> >to Europe. That's where QSO points come
from, because there's>> >virtually an>> >endless supply of Europeans to work.>>
>Start with the high bands. Sunset in Europe is a constant for US>ops.>>
>However sunRISE is the key. Here are some examples of sunrise times>> >for>>
>Nov 25:>> >Jonesport, ME 1140Z>> >Philadelphia, PA 1157Z>> >Pittsburgh, PA
1218Z (near LR)>> >Chicago, IL 1252Z>> >>> >Let's assume the band opens at
sunrise and a decent station is>making 3>> >QSOs/minute with EU. Jonesport has
already made 60 QSOs as the band>is>> >just opening in Phila. And so on. And
of course, the opening is>also>> >stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.
The EU high band opening>> >closes>> >at the same time for everyone, as
darkness crosses the EU continent.>> >>> >Then there are the low bands. Sunset
is earlier in Jonesport, so>> >40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone
loses EU at the same>time>> >as>> >the sun rises across EU.>> >>> >Barry W2UP>>
>>> >>> >>> >On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM <john@kk9a.com> wrote:>> >>> >> I
have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I there is a>huge>> >>
difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside the>> >mileage>>
>> difference east coast stations have their first skip over the>> >Atlantic>>
>> ocean>> >> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to
the>Midwest>> >as the>> >> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin
to Virginia and>> >then>> >> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're
lucky to be in>New>> >> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX
contest.>> >>>> >> John KK9A>> >>>> >>>> >> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:>> >>>> >>
He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU (great>> >circle>> >>
path)>> >> he might only have you by 100-200 miles (roughly)>> >> to the Center
of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so>it's>> >> probably>> >> just
that he's the better/quicker op. Nothing more.>> >>>> >> I don't think there
is very much of any of this "East>Coast/Midwest">> >stuff>> >> going on here at
all.>> >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________>> >>
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8Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 07:24:47 +0000From: Ken K6MR <k6mr@outlook.com>To:
"rttydigital@groups.io" <rttydigital@groups.io>, "nccc-blue@groups.io"
<nccc-blue@groups.io>, cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>,
"RTTY@groups.io" <RTTY@groups.io>Subject: [CQ-Contest] NS RTTY this Thursday,
11 Nov in NA DON'T FORGET THE TIME CHANGE!Message-ID:
<SJ0PR07MB8584FCFD13A606B65CE800BC9E939@SJ0PR07MB8584.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"Greetings Diddlers,Back
into double digit turnout last week. Welcome to first timer K0VW (neat call!),
as well as AK2S and W4BBT who were back for more sprint fun.And yes, it?s that
time again for most of us to adjust ourselves to that silly biannual government
imposed ritual of messing with time. So even though the UTC times have not
changed, those of you (and me) who are subjected to this craziness must adjust
our day. Put a yellow sticky on the monitor, set an alarm, whatever you need
to do to remember to show up an hour earlier local time. Except of course you
lucky folks who are in states that have sane management. Anyway, don?t forget.
If no one is around when you start CQing, you are too late!The upcoming
weekend has a biggie of the RTTY world: WAE DX RTTY! This one gives everyone
a chance to play and makes QTCs a bit more fun. So warm up the diddle machine
and join us Thursday evening to make sure everything is up to snuff for the
weekend.The details of our little get together:Friday, 12 Nov 2021, 0145Z -
0215Z (Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 in NA)-- 1745 - 1815 PST-- 2045 - 2115 EST--
(others in-between those two)-- 160: Around 1805 (Last two to five minutes
seem to be popular?)-- 80/40/20/15 +84 kHz up from the band edge <--NOTE--
Same band dupes ok after 1 intervening Q.-- 1 kHz QSY rule, otherwise standard
Sprint rules-- Mults per band.-- 100W power limitPlease visit
http://www.ncccsprint.com/rttyns.html for complete rules and links to other
info. If you find any problems with the web pages, please let me know so we can
get them fixed.If you would like to receive all the latest info about NS as
well as a have a place for comments and questions, sign up for the NS mailing
list: https://groups.io/g/nccc-blueContestonlinescore.com has a slot set up
for us if you?d like to make sure your logger is talking to the world. Select
NCCC NA RTTY Sprint.Report scores to 3830scores.com, and join us at 0300Z on
3610 kHz (+/- a few for ongoing groups) for comments and questions (and dinner
menus).Don?t forget to check out RTTYops Weekday and Weekend Sprints.
Tuesday/Thursday/Sunday (in NA) for you hopelessly addicted Sprinters.Diddle
diddle,Ken K6MR------------------------------Message: 9Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021
09:01:10 +0100From: Weisz L?szl? <ha3nu@tolna.net>To:
cq-contest@contesting.comSubject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB
Midwest vs East CoastMessage-ID:
<d240d17e-9a54-f582-d378-49141da84ab3@tolna.net>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=UTF-8; format=flowedGM,MW vs East CoastHere in Eu we have the same
situation: West Coast (EU) vs. Central Eu. I agree with Steve N2IC and Barry
W2UP: one from Central Eu is not able to reach the same results with a big
monobander like TM3Z with his? 3el on 21MHz. Eg. in case we have a 6 hours
opening for US that means only about 30 mins to west coast (but in good
conditions only) and of course G/EI/F/EA/CT etc. friends have7-8 hours opening
in the same time with much bigger West Coast opening .? Same situation with
North vs. South. Dimitri: "the propagation in the real world..." is the
propagation what you have in France but not in Central/East Eu.We have to live
together with this fact.73 Lacy HA3NU/HG3ROn 2021. 11. 09. 21:18, dimitri
cosson wrote:> Steve,>> <<<> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at
that time ?> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.> 1)
Because the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look on?
reversebeacon.net and read the list of skimmers online (and on what bands)...>
2) Read again the full Barry's e.mail>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ?
20:42, ? 20:42, Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> a ?crit:>> 1) How do you know
that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?>> 2) Now run the same experiment at
1200Z in any DX contest.>>>> Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH
in New Mexico in any>> DX>> contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with
monoband yagis on 10-40,>> a>> rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an
effective height of 300'>> towards>> Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160.
I think you would find the>> experience to be humbling.>>>> 73,>> Steve,
N2IC>>>>>>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real
world...>>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN
reports>> and>>> form where it comes from :>>>>>> OE9GHV OH8FKK 7043.0 RTTY
CQ 19 dB 45 bps 1706z 09 Nov>>> WZ7I TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 10
dB 45 bps 1659z 09 Nov>>> WE9V TM3Z 21086.4 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps
1658z 09 Nov>>> KO7SS TM3Z 21086.5. RTTY CQ 25 dB 45 bps 1658z 09
Nov>>> W6YX. TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov>>> K1TTT.
TM3Z 14099.1 RTTY CQ 22 dB 45 bps 1657z 09 Nov>>>>>> 17.00z, it's now
dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by>>> K1TTT in MA on 15m,
just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.>>> Remember you, humans think
that it's always greener in the neighbor's>>> meadow>>>>>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK
/ TM3Z>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP
<w2up.co@gmail.com> a>> ?crit:>>>> You guys are missing the most important
point: the duration of the>>>> opening>>>> to Europe. That's where QSO points
come from, because there's>>>> virtually an>>>> endless supply of Europeans to
work.>>>> Start with the high bands. Sunset in Europe is a constant for US>>
ops.>>>> However sunRISE is the key. Here are some examples of sunrise
times>>>> for>>>> Nov 25:>>>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z>>>> Philadelphia, PA
1157Z>>>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)>>>> Chicago, IL 1252Z>>>>>>>> Let's
assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is>> making 3>>>>
QSOs/minute with EU. Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band>> is>>>>
just opening in Phila. And so on. And of course, the opening is>> also>>>>
stronger and deeper for the shorter paths. The EU high band opening>>>>
closes>>>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU
continent.>>>>>>>> Then there are the low bands. Sunset is earlier in
Jonesport, so>>>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the
same>> time>>>> as>>>> the sun rises across EU.>>>>>>>> Barry W2UP>>>>>>>>--
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10Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 10:23:20 -0600From: Mark - N5OT <r-emails@n5ot.com>To:
"cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>Subject: [CQ-Contest]
Interest in CQWW - analysisMessage-ID:
<b4f68d0a-1ad5-79fa-a148-aaddcd7f20cf@n5ot.com>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=UTF-8; format=flowedK9YC wrote: > Thanks for your offer, Mark. It could
be a lot of work. The words I chose are descriptive, not quantitative. They
will be defined quantitatively by work like you have volunteered to do!Thanks
Jim for such a gracious response.We can split hair about the word "most" but
these numbers below show a definition of "most" can mean "less than half" which
I think was why I asked in the first place (since "most" is commonly thought of
as "more than half").? As far as measuring degree of turn-on, well, that is
above my pay-grade.? How does the old quote go, "I know it when I see it."?
Apparently so does Jim but we both measure it differently.? Someone else can
tackle that one.? As Ken AB1J posted, a survey could determine attitudes.In the
interest of crowd-sourcing what could be an interesting discussion amongst the
enlightened here, I present some basic numbers for last year's CQWW Phone
contest (all gleaned from Dr. Google and her World Wide Internet).? The data is
at the end of this email.- - - - - - - - - - - ?Analysis:1.87% of all hams on
the West Coast got on for the contest.2.92% of all hams on the East Coast got
on for the contest.- - - - - - - - - - -Definitions:"All hams" means all hams
who have a General, Advanced or Extra-class license"Got on for the contest"
means their callsign appeared at least once in a submitted log"West Coast"
means California, Oregon and Washington"East Coast" means W1, W2 and
W3"Interest" means percentage of all hams who got on for the contest"Greater
interest" means the percentage is higherFor the purpose of this email, "hams"
and "stations" and "callsigns" are all interchangeable.? No allowance was made
for the number of operators who may have been on the air using a particular
callsign, nor for their license class.? (e.g. Multiop entries).- - - - - - - -
- - -Other interesting gleanings:Based on the percentage of hams who got on for
the contest:Illinois showed greater interest than New YorkArizona showed
greater interest than GeorgiaThe top five in order (by percentage) were NH, RI,
DE, NJ followed by MINNESOTAMeasured by actual number of stations on the
air:California had more hams on for the contest than any other stateFlorida was
#2Texas was #3- - - - - - - - - - - -Interesting that more people in 5th-ranked
Minnesota got on for the CQWW than people in Connecticut, whether you measure
it by percentage OR number of operators.? Conclusion: Hams in Minnesota are
more easily turned on than hams in Connecticut.Data follows.? If you want to
sort the columns yourself click this link to download this simple
spreadsheet:http://www.n5ot.com/CQWW/2020-CQWW-Interest-Analysis-Data.xlsx73 -
Mark N5OTP.S. My work here is finishedData for 2021 CQWW Phone STATE
NUMBER OF STATIONS THAT GOT ON FOR THE CONTEST NUMBER OF GENERAL, ADVANCED AND
EXTRA-CLASS LICENSEES PERCENTAGE OF GENERAL, ADVANCED AND EXTRA-CLASS
LICENSEES WHO GOT ON FOR THE CONTESTAK 1 1567 0.06%AL 116
6128 1.89%AR 67 3790 1.77%AZ 238 10100 2.36%CA
758 42789 1.77%CO 160 7408 2.16%CT 129
4313 2.99%DE 31 938 3.30%FL 510 27702 1.84%GA
204 8844 2.31%IA 72 3888 1.85%ID 55
2821 1.95%IL 326 11904 2.74%IN 168 8167 2.06%KS
57 3841 1.48%KY 96 4651 2.06%LA 61
3699 1.65%MA 229 7881 2.91%MD 178 6080 2.93%ME
66 2692 2.45%MI 236 11640 2.03%MN 183
6094 3.00%MO 132 7418 1.78%MS 51 2737 1.86%MT
31 1750 1.77%NC 267 11082 2.41%ND 16
803 1.99%NE 35 2266 1.54%NH 105 2887 3.64%NJ
267 8308 3.21%NM 46 2971 1.55%NV 62
3260 1.90%NY 433 16165 2.68%OH 332 15913 2.09%OK
77 4755 1.62%OR 163 7964 2.05%PA 415
14019 2.96%RI 43 1200 3.58%SC 120 4909 2.44%SD
19 1157 1.64%TN 190 8931 2.13%TX 457
24796 1.84%UT 68 3608 1.88%VA 285 9949 2.86%VT
24 1153 2.08%WA 271 13120 2.07%WI 184
6200 2.97%WV 66 2967 2.22%WY 22 923
2.38%Grand Total 8122 368148
2.21%------------------------------Message: 11Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 16:32:37
+0000 (UTC)From: ktfrog007@aol.comTo: "cq-contest@contesting.com"
<cq-contest@contesting.com>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] "Is there a way a station
could enter a "Block All Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?"Message-ID:
<425385538.1269565.1636561957810@mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=UTF-8If there were an option to block all skimmer and cluster spots, do
you think any top contest stations would do it in contests?And if so,
why?73,Ken, AB1J-----Original Message-----From: ko7ss--- via CQ-Contest
<cq-contest@contesting.com>To: Reflector Cq-contest
<cq-contest@contesting.com>Sent: Tue, Nov 9, 2021 2:19 pmSubject: [CQ-Contest]
"Is there a way a station could enter a "Block All Spots of Me" to the skimmer
network?"This option doesn't exist for the RBN as a whole, but at the
individual skimmer level itis easy. One of the user defined parameters is
"Blocked Calls" to prevent a skimmerfrom self spotting the owner in a
contest.One older boy and his radio sent me an E-mail a few years ago asking to
not bespotted on my skimmers and I set it up for him.Anyone else? I can send
the list to the RBN ops group if desired....73, Bill
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