Don't worry about it, Steve.
Nostalgia aside, the good ole days weren't really THAT good. We just think
that they were/
73
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Dyer (W1SRD) via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2021 8:45 am
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Self spots
Gosh. Ken, Jim and Hans make me wonder if I can ever be a *real*
contester. I've only ever known computer logging, solid state radios,
packet spots, electronic keying, etc. The "good old days" must've really
been something.
Steve
W1SRD
On 11/3/2021 16:32, Ken K6MR wrote:
> +1 Those were the days….
>
> Ken K6MR
>
> From: Jim Neiger<mailto:n6tj@sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 12:08
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Self spots
>
> Oh the wonderful world of spotting.
>
> Again relegated to the Department of Be Careful What You Ask For. And
> fondly remembering the years when all were able to 1) find their own
> DX, and 2) actually could copy calls without assistance.
>
> Very 73,
>
> Jim Neiger N6TJ
>
> 66 years of contest operating UN-Assisted.
>
> KH7M (this past weekend where I was self-spotted at least once)
> KH7M ( upcoming CQ WW CW).
>
>
>
> On 11/2/2021 6:05 PM, Randy Thompson wrote:
>> Not sure self-spotting is the solution to the actual problem...
>>
>> Someone spammed the cluster system with cleverly designed spots that spoofed
>> the sender's callsign. As someone who has been harassed by this method of
>> fake spots, it is frustrating. I don't think people quite realize how
>> unprotected the cluster network is. Anyone can use any callsign to spot
>> anything at any time.
>>
>> The cluster is not the banking system, but just as we need passwords for
>> every other aspect of our on-line lives, it may be time for the cluster
>> network to adopt the same. Even if it is just for originating spots. This
>> of course means that spots traveling from one node to another will also need
>> to carry some form of verification or validation of the originator.
>>
>> Randy K5ZD
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+k5zd=outlook.com@contesting.com> On
>> Behalf Of Stanley Zawrotny
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 9:04 AM
>> To: John Dorr <cqk1ar@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Steve Dyer <w1srd@yahoo.com>; CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Self spots
>>
>> The solution has already been proposed—allow self-spotting. Put SSB on a par
>> with the CW RBN. No messy, long-drawn out technical effort required. Just
>> say that it’s OK.
>>
>> Stan, K4SBZ
>>
>> "Real radio bounces off the sky."
>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2021, at 8:43 AM, John Dorr <cqk1ar@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> Just so everyone knows, the CQWW Contest Committee is taking this
>>> issue very seriously and is investigating the issue in great detail
>>> via some very smart network guys on my team. These spots will have no
>>> impact on anyone's score. However, as always, we will continue to
>>> review other cases where self-spotting is obvious and beyond what has
>>> occurred in this particular situation.
>>>
>>> 73, John, K1AR
>>> CQ WW Contest Director
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:03 AM Steve Dyer via CQ-Contest <
>>>> cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I really hope we don't have to start authenticating to clusters. The
>>>> hassle to the many global users seems to far exceed the gravity of
>>>> the problem. Every piece of software that uses clusters would have to
>>>> implement whatever scheme was used. It would be a mess.
>>>> Steve
>>>> W1SRD
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/1/2021 18:10, K3IB Peter wrote:
>>>>> Identifying bad guys by IP addresses is not a thing any more.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can change my home IP address at will. Good luck getting Comcast
>>>>> to
>>>> tell you what IP address was on my router 3 days ago.
>>>>> I can also attack from dozens of countries around the world by using
>>>>> one
>>>> of any number of inexpensive VPN services.
>>>>> The best way forward is for clusters to start authenticating their
>>>>> users
>>>> with a simple, widely available mechanism like SQRL.
>>>>> -peter K3IB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> IIRC, maybe 20 years ago Dave, K1TTT did some pioneering work in
>>>>>> identifying self-spotters, I think through the use of IP addresses
>>>>>> It may be that the same techniques can be used today - or maybe
>>>>>> they can at least demonstrate that these were *not* self-spots. Dave?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>>>>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network web server
>>>>>> at<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbeta.reversebeacon.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C4c5816c8e7134f641c9f08d99e24c9e2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637714703115056396%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=6V7wNvb8ozUbD2knfydlnkBP57qLOQHvOh9JKc1%2FV5A%3D&reserved=0>.
>>>>>> For spots, please use your favorite "retail" DX cluster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/1/2021 2:46 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
>>>>>>> Wow, what a surprise. I just went and looked at my cluster and
>>>>>>> sure enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was running unassisted and I see that I spotted myself twice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is not good and the only reason is for someone to ensure that
>>>>>>> the cluster logging can't be trusted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike va3mw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VA3MW-7>
>>>>>>> 7215.1 VA3MW 31-Oct-2021 2319Z
>>>>>>> <VA3MW>
>>>>>>> 7215.1 VA3MW 31-Oct-2021 2313Z
>>>>>>> <WT8WV>
>>>>>>> 7215.1 VA3MW 31-Oct-2021 2305Z LSB
>>>>>>> <N2YO>
>>>>>>> 7214.9 VA3MW 31-Oct-2021 2252Z LSB
>>>>>>> <N4SS>
>>>>>>> 7215.0 VA3MW 31-Oct-2021 2249Z
>>>>>>> <W3MR>
>>>>>>> 7215.0 VA3MW 31-Oct-2021 2244Z LSB
>>>>>>> <WU9D>
>>>>>>> 7215.0 VA3MW 31-Oct-2021 2237Z
>>>>>>> <N3GT>
>>>>>>> 7215.0 VA3MW 31-Oct-2021 2235Z LSB
>>>>>>> <AC3LZ>
>>>>>>> 7215.1 VA3MW 31-Oct-2021 2211Z
>>>>>>> <VA3MW>
>>>>>>> 7215.1 VA3MW 31-Oct-2021 2205Z
>>>>>>> <KE1IH>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 1:39 PM Dave K2XR via CQ-Contest <
>>>>>>> cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GM contesters. Hope you all are resting well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the FRC chat room we have been discussing the abundance of
>>>>>>>> apparent self spots during the contest. Many of our participants
>>>>>>>> who run had their callsigns spoofed and spots of themselves made. It
>>>>>>>> seems to have
>>>>>>>> happened to enough of us that the question was posed... 'Was it just
>>>>>>>> FRC that was targeted, or was it all contesters? "
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looking on this reflector as well as the 3830 reflector, it
>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>> take
>>>>>>>> long to see that it wasn't just FRC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fl
>>>>>>>> ists.contesting.com%2Farchives%2F%2Fhtml%2F3830%2F2021-11%2Fmsg00
>>>>>>>> 174.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7C4c5816c8e7134f641c9f08d99e24c9e2%7
>>>>>>>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637714703115066391%7C
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>>>>>>>> 5Co0%2FpE9co46pVpc0Ps%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Curious to know who else out there was targeted. The were about
>>>>>>>> 10 cases in the chat room I was in this AM, and suspect it might
>>>>>>>> have
>>>> been
>>>>>>>> a huge problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there a way for the sysops to track down the origin ? I would
>>>>>>>> think so, but am not positive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would be great to nail the perpetrator, and some of us are
>>>> demanding
>>>>>>>> it if it is all possible. Kind of ruins everything for some.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave K2XR Frankford Radio Club
>>>>>>>>
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