If every station dual CQed, there would be nobody to answer the CQs, so
no QSOs would be made.
Barry W2UP
On 3/16/2017 09:08, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
No,
You have not thought this through.
What if every station attempted to do this tactic starting at the top
of the band and at the bottom? The bands would quickly fill with big
guns from top bottom. Is that what you want? I don't think think
that is good for contesting or the hobby.
On 3/16/2017 8:47 AM, Helmut Mueller wrote:
Thank you Ranko.
I thought I am the only one thinking this way.
Nobody complaint because they could not find a free space in ARRL,
they complaint only after listening to the audio!
73
Helmut
4O3A <4o3a@t-com.me> hat am 16. März 2017 um 12:21 geschrieben:
Advanced SO operating is skill based. I know many contesters who are
not
capable to run SO2R at all. They are not competitive any more.
We are competing who has better skill. New improved SO operating
techniques are a necessity and I hope this will never end. It keeps our
sport exciting. CW monsters with lot of practice on Morse runner or
RUFZ
are amazing to me, and better than me. They will be much better in
listening two synchronized pile ups and it's all about the skill. I
will
not complain and ask contest organizers to "tie their hands" with
limitation in rules. I will rather spent some time practicing and
trying
to be competitive.
73
Ranko
On 3/16/2017 1:52 AM, Radio K0HB wrote:
I agree that SO-Split is equally hoggish if it consumes two QRG's in a
single band segment.
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 17:45 Rudy Bakalov <r_bakalov@yahoo.com>
wrote:
The same argument can be made for working so split. Sounds like
the two
use cases of using extra spectrum are treated differently. You
can't pick
and chose and favor one vs the other.
Rudy N2WQ
Sent using a tiny keyboard. Please excuse brevity, typos, or
inappropriate autocorrect.
On Mar 15, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Radio K0HB <kzerohb@gmail.com> wrote:
Helmut, I don't think that this resistance to interleaved-CQ is
"anti-innovation" at all, but resistance to "excess occupancy".
By any reasonable measure, running interleaved CQs on two QRG's
in the
same
band consumes two operating channels on that band. In the
existing period
of limited propagation, many would consider such double-occupancy
of a
finite resource to be selfish, not innovative.
Suppose for a moment, that I could "innovate" a method of
interleaving 10
CQs on a single band. Would you applaud my innovation, or would
you curse
my hoggery?
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 11:07 Helmut Mueller <helmut@photo42.de>
wrote:
Hi Guys.
These "new" techniques are just the evolution of contest, deal
with it!
There are different contests out there who have different rules and
smart
people REALLY understand the rules and apply every effort that is
allowed
by the rules! This is called contesting art or INOVATION!
You want to make all contests the same? Keep whining!
Centurys ago someone came up with stacked antennas: I bet there
were
people moaning about this.
Centurys ago someone came up with computer logging and keying: I
bet
there
were people moaning about this.
Centurys ago someone came up with SO2R: People were moaning
about this.
There are many more examples like this ... now we have SO2RUN or
Interleave QSOs!
I call this innovation! It is fantastic!
This is from the PJ2T website:
Dedicated to fun, international friendship, and advancement of the
contesting art through superior operating technique and maximum
application
of technology
Could not say it any better!
73
Helmut DF7ZS
df7zs.de
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von
W0MU Mike Fatchett
Gesendet: Wednesday, 15 March, 2017 04:50 AM
An: cq-contest@contesting.com
Betreff: Re: [CQ-Contest] Prohibiting Interleaved CQs on Two or
More
Frequencies in the Same Band
If you agree that the rules need to be changed, you need to
make your
ARRL Division Directors aware of your feelings. I believe there
is a
meeting coming up soon and I believe that this item can be taken
up at
that
time.
Alternating CQ's on different bands is pretty common on RTTY. I
think
that this practice should be allowed and monitored to make sure
that
stations are adhering to the one transmitted signal at a time
for Single
ops.
I can only image the situation where we have a wall of stations at
14.150 going up and 14.347 going down for alternating cq's. Add
in EU
and
the Caribbean and we have a big mess.
W0MU
On 3/14/2017 5:08 PM, Dick Green WC1M wrote:
I strongly support Frank's proposal, but the prohibition should
apply
to
Single Ops, too, as it does in CQ WW.
I realize that multi-op stations are more likely to be equipped
to do
alternating CQs on the same band (A and B radios with two ops on
each
band,
multiple antennas per band with good isolation), but it
certainly can be
done in an SO2R station. If only one band is open enough to run,
then
the
impact on the spectrum is the same.
Is there a compelling reason to allow Single Ops to do
alternating CQs
on the same band?
Actually, I think a case could be made for banning alternating CQs
altogether. I'd regret that because I've sometimes used it as a
Single
Op
to boost rate or fight boredom, but it definitely does use up more
spectrum. If only two bands are open in a big contest, that
spectrum is
likely to be very limited. What if a rare mult running low power
can't
find
a place to CQ because the alternating CQers are taking up more than
their
share of space? What about the impact on non-contesters?
73. Dick WC1M
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From: donovanf@starpower.net [mailto:donovanf@starpower.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:01 PM
To: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Prohibiting Interleaved CQs on Two or More
Frequencies in the Same Band
I recommend that alternating CQs on two or more frequencies on
the same
band be prohibited immediately in all ARRL HF contests, exactly
as it is
now prohibited in all CQ WW DX Contests and for multi-operators
in the
IARU
HF Championship.
The reason for my recommendation is that the recent success of the
PJ4G team in CQing on alternate frequencies on the same band
(both on
20 and 15 meters) in the recent ARRL SSB DX Contest will
inevitably be
applied -- very soon -- by other multi-operator competitors in
future
ARRL contests. Unfortunately this will be to the very considerable
detriment of other HF spectrum users
-- both contesters and non-contesters -- because of the very
limited
available spectrum on every HF band below 28 MHz.
The obvious course of action is to simply apply existing IARU HF
Championship rule 4.3.2.1 to all multi-operator categories in
all ARRL
HF
contests.
4.3.2.1. Alternating CQs on two or more frequencies on the same
band is
not permitted.
http://www.arrl.org/iaru-hf-championship
A CAC sub-committee is currently engaged in a Rules Consolidation
Project to consolidate “The General Rules of all ARRL Contests”
“The General Rules for all ARRL contests Below 30 MHz” and
individual
contest rules into a single rule set for each of the ARRL HF
Contests.
In addition to the consolidation of the rules structure, the ARRL
Programs and Services Committee (PSC) asked the team to develop any
accompanying commentary they choose as to areas where the
perceive that
the
rules might benefit from revision and, where appropriate, to
suggest
revised language.
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/About%20ARRL/Committee%20Reports/2016/J
uly/Doc_24_0716.pdf
While the CAC's role is solely to respond to projects and issues
assigned by the ARRL Programs and Services Committee; the CAC
chairman
can
recommend future CAC projects and issues to the PSC.
73
Frank
W3LPL
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