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Re: [CQ-Contest] Qrp récords

To: "Felipe J. Hernández" <np4zet@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Qrp récords
From: Herbert Schoenbohm <herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:12:10 -0400
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Felipe, With all due respect to your unique position I would think that many would like to know what kind of antenna design devised by anyone, even Eric NP3A "with a degree of antenna design" extant that could produce an equal signal here at my QTH with the claimed 4.7 watts to NP4A's 1500 watts. This would require an antenna capable of producing 25 db gain. Since my QTH is 125 miles SE of KP4 I would assume that this supper antenna at KP4KE had an omni-directional pattern. If you know of such an 160 meter antenna design that is capable of producing 320 times the power, or 25 db gain, it would be worth millions in the communications and broadcast industry. The claim that KP4KE's "double bazooka" was capable of such performance when his 160 meter QRP "record" was achieved defies all known existing laws of physics. As you stated "our approach has to be scientific and fair for KP4KE" so why not explain to me what antenna known anywhere in the world is capable of developing this kind of gain. The picture KP4KE has published on QRZ.com shows only a modest installation compared to that of Pedro, NP4A. At some point we can all benefit by knowing of an antenna design capable of developing 25db omni- directional gain on 160 meters if such an antenna actually exists. You indeed have peaked my curiosity on this subject.

Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ

On 5/16/2015 12:56 PM, Felipe J. Hernández wrote:
Herb

It is not about changing the op, in this case Eric is an acomplished Rf engineer and contester, with a degree of antenna design and lots of experience in terrain modeling. So the perspective of an operator with that profile could shed significant light on the overal station performance, since certain QTH's have an advantage over others as well as other antennas also bring that extra db, that can create an overrall better performance of the station.

If we are going to stay true to our intention, our approach has to be scientific and fair for KP4KE.. the information about his previous operations is certainly valid and the committee Im sure is considering it and has considered it, since I believe he has already been DQ for power claims. Im sure there will be enought ways to compare during the contest.

How much these records make sense can easily be easily analized by looking at other zone 7 and 8 QRP stations in the past, but I think thats another discussion... Lets wait if his commitment stands, he has failed his commitments before..

Felipe
NP4Z

El sábado, 16 de mayo de 2015, Herbert Schoenbohm <herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com <mailto:herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com>> escribió:

    Felipe,

    I don't know how just changing the operator will prove anything at
    all.  What I know to a moral certainty is the comparison on KP4TE
    alleged QRP signal on ground wave and that of NP4A's full power
    signal from a great location with a superb antenna system at the
    same time.  This proved to me that KP4KE's claim of running "4.7
    watts to  a double bazooka" when he established his published
    record that his QRP" entry was totally bogus.  The signal
    measurements made here of the two stations in comparison do not lie.

    Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ

    On 5/16/2015 8:03 AM, Felipe J. Hernández wrote:

        To address Herb's comments:

        We had an honest conversation with kp4ke regarding the
        questions around his
        qrp and other operations.
        HE has  agreed to allow ERic Np3a to operate his station and
        to show the
        world how his station performs in qrp, the official date set
        by him was on
        wpx cw this year.

        Certainly we are anxious as you to make sure that these were
        all valid
        entries, let's wait for wpx and see.

        73's

        Felipe
        NP4Z


        Message: 4
        Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:52:26 -0400
        From: Herbert Schoenbohm <herbs@vitelcom.net>
        To: cq-contest@contesting.com
        Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Re. TO7A Debacle
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        There are others in the record book essentially in perpetuity.
        The fact
        that CQ Contesting still posts some of the biggest
        malefactors, i.e. the
        low band QRP world records of an infamous station in KP4, just
        prevents
        others from even giving such an impossible score a legitimate
        challenge.
        These were certainty challenged and with the adequate proof of
        the fact
        that the were the result of cheating. But since CQ let this
        matter just
        slide and didn't properly DQ, it stands as a detriment to radio
        contesting for those who follow the rules and as an
        encouragement to
        those who don't .

        Looking ahead, either we slay this beast of contesting as we
        know it
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