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Re: [CQ-Contest] TO7A debacle

To: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] TO7A debacle
From: k3it <gokoyev+k3it@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 22:22:26 -0400
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UT5URW does not appear on 160m in any of the 7000+ logs except
TO7A's. There is also a second NIL QSO with UT5URW in TO7A's log on 20m.
 Andrey lives in a high rise apartment building and doesn't have a 160m
antenna as far as I know.

What's interesting is that UT5URW almost never sends in contest logs (his
main interest is DXing - I think he is missing only the Bouvet Island).
The last log submitted before 2014 was in 1995! But he is active in almost
every CQ WW, chasing DX and giving out points to friends.  Just never
bothers to submit the log. What a surprise in 2014!

I grew up with UT5URW and I know that he keeps absolutely meticulous record
of his activities. There almost no chance that he could make a QSO without
logging, especially if it's a non-trivial 160m DX contact.

curious if these NIL QSOs exist on the SDR recording.  May be someone else
was pretending to be UT5URW ;)

73! Vasily K3IT


On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Richard F DiDonna NN3W <
richnn3w@verizon.net> wrote:

> Frank, I looked at this with some spot checks: OE3V, LA5HE (Rag!), SP3CQP,
> etc.  Your team did not work any of these stations; nor did K3LR; nor did
> DL1A; nor did CN2AA - on any band...
>
> Looking a the log of ON4TO, the op made his last QSO at 2310z on 11/29 and
> it looks like he went to bed.  He resumed operating at 0608z on 11/30.
>
> Odd indeed.
>
> 73 Rich NN3W
>
>
> On 5/10/2015 5:14 PM, donovanf@starpower.net wrote:
>
>> Juan,
>>
>>
>> You've discovered an extremely unusual pattern in the TO7A public log
>> that's very difficult to rationalize.
>>
>>
>> Three of the 160 meter European QSOs in TO7A's log have public logs:
>> ON4TO, UT5URW and R6KY. There is no TO7A 160M QSO in
>> any of these logs.
>>
>>
>> There's a remarkable run of 160 meter European QSOs from 0437-0608Z
>> Sunday in the TO7A's log but a lack of any of the very active 160 meter
>> European calls in the TO7A log.. It would be interesting to try to find
>> the
>> European calls in the 0437-0608Z TO7A 160 meter log and also the
>> PY1NP and LU2YE calls in the 160 meters in the logs of other very active
>> 160 meter stations such as CN2AA, 9K2HN, HK1NA and PJ2T.
>>
>>
>> I suspect only a tiny fraction of the European calls in that 0437-0608Z
>> 160
>> meter run appear in any 160 meter log and PY1NP and LU2YE
>> probably won't be found either.
>>
>>
>> This unusual pattern may also appear elsewhere in the TO7A log...
>>
>>
>> 73
>> Frank
>> W3LPL
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Juan EA5RS" <ea5rs@ono.com>
>> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 6:08:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] TO7A debacle
>>
>> Interesting debate, but I am afraid there has been some misleading
>> info/assumption on the reason for TO7A's DQ.
>>
>> I have not studied the log in detail, but if you are curious enough, have
>> a
>> look at TO7A's 160m log:
>> Not one single station with a public log in zones 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 20
>> or
>> 33 claims working TO7A on 160
>> Yet TO7A's log claims having worked 29 stations in these zones.
>> Most of these 29 QSOs are unique calls at least on 160, most do not have a
>> public log, and if they have a public log, the 160m QSO with TO7A is not
>> there
>>
>> Maybe this has something to do with why he has been DQd
>> I have performed a similar scrutiny with some of TO7A's competitors logs
>> but
>> I haven't found a similar situation
>>
>> Just public logs data (5,8 million records) and some database code
>>
>> Juan
>> EA5RS
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] En nombre de
>> Stan
>> Stockton
>> Enviado el: domingo, 10 de mayo de 2015 1:09
>> Para: W0MU Mike Fatchett
>> CC: cq-contest@contesting.com
>> Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] TO7A debacle
>>
>>  On 5/9/2015 12:11 PM, Lloyd Cabral wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> After following this thread, my only wish is that Randy would have
>>>
>> inquired here for another e-mail address
>>
>>> for Dim, or another source of contact with him BEFORE bringing this issue
>>>
>> mainstream. Accusations as
>>
>>> serious as this should first be handled privately with the accused given
>>> a
>>>
>> fair chance to defend himself.
>>
>>> Stan K5GO hit the nail on the head with his previous post. IMHO, taking
>>>
>> Dim's case public right off seemed
>>
>>> premature, unprofessional and totally unnecessary.
>>> Lloyd KH6LC
>>> On May 9, 2015, at 3:15 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The guy got caught red handed and you people want to hang those that
>>>
>> caught him.
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I wish you had told everyone you had information showing or even saying he
>> got caught red handed a long time ago. Do you have some information that
>> says he was caught "red handed"?
>>
>> Everyone else is reading what has been written and the email posted on the
>> reflector says that the committee had a "belief" that he was using
>> assistance and substantiated the fact that it was a "belief" by asking him
>> to provide a recording (not required in the rules) in order to further
>> evaluate the situation. However, even in that email, the bottom line and
>> last sentence, after what would appear to be an attempt to communicate
>> some
>> hope that there would be further evaluation, said emphatically and in no
>> uncertain terms that he was disqualified for 2014 but welcome to enter in
>> 2015.
>>
>> I am not making any assumption this process is as cut and dried as you
>> would
>> like it to be.
>>
>> 73...Stan, K5GO
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