Dave,
 Actually, it could help contestants.  N1MM could probe the online 
scoreboard for the same class you are and report back that you are XXXX 
points ahead or XXXX points behind.  This could be used as a kick in the 
pants to get moving!
There is value in the scoreboard.  It has been a slow sell.
 I agree with your other points about online gaming and attempting to 
capture those elements if we have any hopes of converting young people 
to ham radio instead of the internet.  An Xbox is far easier to hook up 
than a ham rig and contest worthy antennas.
Mike W0MU
On 11/26/2013 10:59 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
 
 I don't think it adds a thing to anyone not actually in the contest.  
I can't imagine that more than a handful of non-contesters are going 
to spend any time at all watching a set of numbers increment on their 
screen.
 "Re-imagining contesting" is going to require something far more 
interesting than simply making scores more visible.  It's going to 
require coming up with contest formats that more closely parallel 
online gaming .... where the action a participant takes directly and 
in real time impacts the actions and scores of competitors, and where 
teams of players can collaboratively accomplish something in real time 
that they couldn't individually.  I've pondered this issue at great 
length and haven't come up with anything yet that works for 
radiosport, but the model is certainly there.  There are more people 
actively playing EACH of the major online games than there are U.S. 
amateur radio licensees in total.
Dave  AB7E
On 11/26/2013 9:20 AM, Steve Dyer wrote:
 I am super excited about the idea of real-time posting AND scoring. 
It would be a tool to attract a lot of very positive attention to 
radio sport. A real game changer that would allow us to promote 
contesting as the modern, exciting activity it is to a *global* 
audience. An audience that expects to see results real-time, not 12 
months later. The contest sponsors need to wake up on this one and 
make it their #1 priority if they want to survive. They will get a 
lot more attention from advertisers and sponsors if they can break 
the current mold and re-imagine contesting. Print cycles for dead 
tree magazines should not be driving the agenda anymore.
...but it's got nothing to do with using Skimmer.
73,
Steve
W1SRD
 
Soap Box- I want to commend the teams that took the time to post their
scores
 on the cqcontest.ru site. Our friends in UA have dove an excellent 
job in
making the site easy to use and very accurate. On a different note I 
will
propose a change to the CQWW Rules to include some sort of rule that 
if a
station uses skimmer, packet or any other means of gathering 
information
they
 will be obligated to post their scores. Here is a classic example 
given to
me
by KY4F.
 "You and your wife are huge Golf fans, and save, and finally buy 
tickets
to the Master's Golf Tournament (CQWW CW is much like the Master's). 
In the
process of your attendance, Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson decide 
that they
will not allow their scores to be listed on the leader boards and 
that they
will keep their score cards in their pocket and not allow any fans 
or other
competitor to see their score. Their score cards will not be 
available until
after every participant has finished the Tournament".
 I see no discernible difference in the above case, and our current 
leaders
in
 CQWW who refuse to participate in posting their scores online. It is 
done in
the Golf world to openly and frankly show what the score is at every
stroke. It
 is a display of honesty and frankness and is a requirement for entry 
in any
golf
tournament. I call upon all of the contesting community to request...no
require... that all participants who use any method of information
collection
to post their scores!
 As the contesting community has adjusted to the requirement for logs 
to be
sent
in and posted for all to see, it is now time to change this unnecessary
behavior
 and openly post your score for all to see. Not posting your score 
equals non
entry in the contest.
de Rick NQ4I
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