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Re: [CQ-Contest] High SSB QSO Rates

To: Jeff Steinman <n5tj@hotmail.com>, CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] High SSB QSO Rates
From: "Martin , LU5DX" <lu5dx@lucg.com.ar>
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:09:36 -0300
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Howdy Jeff.
The link you provided is not working.
The files can be located at http://www.k5tr.net/audio/n5tj/
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By the way.
Is there any other audio clips of  yours out there?

I'm sure all of us enjoy that music very much and we all can learn a lot
from those audio files.

Regards.

Martin, LU5DX
www.lp1h.blogspot.com
www.5bits.net/lu5dx


On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Jeff Steinman <n5tj@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Good questions Bob. And agree with K5TR comments. People need to know how
> to run/adapt to their situation. Being able to run well/effectively at what
> would be described as more typical QSO rates is important. We're spending a
> lot of time discussing very high rates which are not the norm. Those 400+
> hours? I count three in my lifetime. And all from the DX side.
>
> In fact I would say that, depending on your category, these very high
> rates might be counterproductive to your final score. How's that?
>
> CQWW SSB as a SOAB is a Marathon. You need to stay in the chair and be as
> fresh as possible. Rate is fun and it helps your score, sure... but it's
> total score that matters. Those 400+ hours are exhausting. As a SOAB my
> best hour might be around 350, more in the 325 and lower range. The 400
> hours came during multi-op entries where I could take a break.
>
> I found a few short audio clips that George/K5TR was kind enough to host
> on his web page:  http://www.k5tr.net/audio/n5tj/
> EA8BH SOAB 1999, 20M in the second hour, rate ~ 300
> 2004 VP2E M2 10M running EU on Sunday. Probably mid 200 rate.
> 2004 VP2E M2 10M running USA for the first time on Saturday afternoon.
> Part of a 480 hour.
>
> You should be able to hear the difference in speed/cadence/frequency of
> signing call between these different situations. Regardless I try to be
> efficient and "easy" to work.
> 73
> Jeff N5TJ
>
> > Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 07:26:36 -0800
> > From: geoiii@kkn.net
> > To: W5OV@W5OV.COM
> > CC: n5tj@hotmail.com; cq-contest@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] BOGUS QSO RATES!
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 06:35:03AM -0600, Bob Naumann wrote:
> > >
> > > As the method you apply here is one based on your greater than average
> skill
> > > set and experience, what would you recommend for someone who is not
> blessed
> > > with the same or just starting out?
> >
> > I am not Jeff - but I will give some thoughts on this topic.
> >
> > First I will say that much of what we have been talking about is not
> > something that most folks "just starting out" would have to worry about
> > since they will likely not be running in very high rate situations.
> >
> > This topic was started by AH8DX complaining about a list of hourly
> > QSO rates that are above 300 contacts an hour.
> >
> > Most of these techniques are not much of an advantage at slower rates.
> >
> > > One of the advanced techniques that K5TR mentioned is the copying of
> several
> > > callsigns (or partial calls) at one time from a pileup and working
> each of
> > > them without signing or saying TU or QRZ.
> >
> > That was not what I was talking about - but that does also happen -
> although
> > usually not more than a callsign or two - I was talking about not saying
> > my callsign and just saying 'Thanks' as a way of saying I am ready for
> > the next caller.  One reason to do this - is some people will not call
> > me if I just say a quick 'thanks' and this will have the effect of
> thinning
> > the pileup a bit and allow me to up the rate a bit - having too many
> > people calling at once slows things down.
> >
> > There are many many little things that you can do to up the rate a bit
> > here and there - going really fast can be hard and there are a lot of
> little
> > things that in total can change your 300 hour rate into a 360 hour rate
> > or change your 300 hour into a 240 hour.  It is one of the things I
> > find fascinating.
> >
> > >
> > > For those looking for ways to improve, would you recommend that they
> call
> > > one CQ, get a pileup going and just say "Cue Are Zed" at the end of
> every
> > > QSO, or would it be better for them (until they develop better skills)
> to
> > > just say their callsign at the end of each QSO?
> >
> > Yes, I would agree with that in general - but if they do want to get
> > better - then I see no harm in talking about how you produce high
> > rate.  And we are not talking about calling one CQ here and then running
> > for minutes or hours on end without signing your callsign.
> >
> > > Better efficiency does not result merely from omitting your callsign.
> >
> > Very true.
> >
> > And as stated above - for me at least - one of the reasons for not
> > signing my call every time has nothing to do with saving my time
> > of saying 'thanks' vs 'k5tr' or 'hc8n' or whatever - I do it for
> > other reasons.
> >
> > One suggestion I have for anyone wanting to look at this more is to
> > find recordings of high rate and listen to what the operator is
> > doing and not doing and see if you can figure out why he made the
> > choices he has made.
> >
> > How often is he signing his callsign?
> >
> > What causes him to not sign it?
> >
> > Does he always use phonetics?
> >
> > Does he sometimes listen longer than other times
> > to the pileup calling?  Why?
> >
> > There are many many choices that I make during a run in
> > an effort to put more contacts in the log.
> >
> >
> > --
> > George Fremin III - K5TR
> > geoiii@kkn.net
> > http://www.kkn.net/~k5tr
> >
> >
>
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