Mike,
The proposed scenario I was commenting on is completely different from what
you're apparently discussing.
The scenario I commented on is "can you operate the entire contest without
logging anything, just tape record the entire contest, and after the contest
has ended, then create a log from the listening to and transcribing the
recordings".
We're not merely talking about massaging or fixing a log - there is no log
at all until after the contest has ended.
My personal opinion on this is that such a practice should not be allowed
for all the reasons I listed in my earlier comments. My primary objection is
that the operator who is not putting any effort into logging has not done a
key part of the process during the contest period - that is, creating a
record of who he worked - i.e.; logging. That is a very important part of
operating a contest, and doing it after the contest ends should not be
allowed. In effect, if it were to be allowed, it would extend the contest
period for that person until the log submission deadline, where all other
competitors would have completed their logging at the end of the contest.
That doesn't seem fair to me. Again, I'm not aware of any rules that
specifically permit or preclude such a process, but I don't like the idea at
all.
73,
Bob W5OV
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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Determining ASSISTED vs NON-ASSISTED -- was: =>RE:
Chea
Bob,
I think this is a big stretch. The contest period to me is the period
of time where valid contacts can be made.
What you are suggesting is at the end of the contest much like the Iowa
Tests of Basic Skills put your pencil down and you are done. At the end
of the contest all loggers will lock down the log and you can't change
it. I don't think this is the intent of CQ or ARRL. We all make
mistakes in the heat of battle. Most believe that obvious errors or
notes can be addressed after the contest period has ended. If not, why
are the dates to submit logs a month out form most contests?
I am not saying that complete massaging of a log should be acceptable
either. In the old days we duped on the fly and then reduped and
corrected our penmanship issues was we went through the manual log.
Should an entrant not be given a chance to look for obvious typos and
correct them?
The issue we have is that 10 people read the rules and we can have 10
different opinions of what the rules say. If there is to be no log
fixes after 2359:59 then the rules should be specific and say so.
Mike W0MU
J6/W0MU November 21 - December 1 2011 CQ WW DX CW
W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net
On 9/28/2011 6:38 AM, Bob Naumann wrote:
> Peter,
>
> We're not discussing those with physical challenges such as you are
> mentioning nor are the rules written to address these sorts of exceptions.
>
> The contest is as follows: (from cqww.com)
>
> CQ WW DX Contest Rules 2011
> SSB: October 29 - 30 CW: November 26 - 27
> Starts 0000 UTC Saturday Ends 2400 UTC Sunday
>
> The contest ends at 2400 UTC Sunday. (Or, 23:59:59 really)
>
> Clearly, if someone does no logging at all during the contest, and begins
> the logging process after the contest ends, he is not logging during the
> contest.
>
> Such a practice would extend the contest period for that operator and is
not
> permitted in any document I have ever seen for any contest.
>
> 73,
>
> Bob W5OV
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Peter Voelpel
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:51 PM
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Determining ASSISTED vs NON-ASSISTED -- was:
=>RE:
> Chea
>
> I don´t agree I don´t find the rule that tape logging is not allowed.
> Where do I find that rule about transcriptions?
> No rule prohibits tape logging.
> The logging was done during the contest.
>
> I am just thinking of the blind, who never could send in a log without
> transcription.
>
> 73
> Peter, DJ7WW
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of w5ov@w5ov.com
>
>> 2nd situation:
>>
>> Op A is tired before the contest and decides to tape record everything
> and write it down after the contest, rather than keep a computer log
> during the contest. No other person helped him with the tape recording
> or transcription functions before or after the contest. Is this allowed
> in the SO Unasisted category?
>
> Short answer: No.
>
> Explanation: This is a trick question because transcribing the contest
> after the contest is not allowed in any category. The logging must be done
> during the contest period - the contest ends at 23:59z.
>
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