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Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Update

To: "'K1TTT'" <K1TTT@ARRL.NET>, <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Update
From: "Bob Naumann" <W5OV@W5OV.COM>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:48:36 -0600
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The focus of this discussion has been directed at the least important part
of the announcement.

The most important part is:

*Remote skimmers (beyond the 500m station circle) are *not permitted for any
category,*

Remote skimmers in this context being "private" or deployed by one station
in any category for its own use which would violate the 500m circle rule.
Again, the point is that remote stuff is not permitted!!!

I think it is fair to conclude that the listing of RBN is intended to be as
a generic example - it is not exclusionary of other similar technology
"public" spotting network systems.

I also think that the initial wording was chosen and intended to be generic
without knowledge that by listing RBN was using a "brand name" and conveyed
the exclusionary permission of only one specific spotting network.

Let's try re-wording it this way:

C. Remote skimmers (beyond the 500m station circle) are not permitted for
any category, 
except for a Reverse Beacon Network (RBN or similar publicly available
aggregated skimmer-like system spotting network).
Utilization of an RBN (or similar publicly available aggregated skimmer-like
system) is permitted for all Multi-Operator 
classes as well as for the Single Operator-Assisted categories ONLY. If you
are a single op entry and access 
a Reverse Beacon Network (or similar publicly available aggregated
skimmer-like system), you MUST submit your log as ASSISTED.

I'm confident that is what the announcement was intending to convey and I
hope that helps.

73,

Bob W5OV

-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of K1TTT
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 6:16 AM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Cc: questions@cqww.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Update

After I first sent this question k3est replied that he was traveling and
forwarded the request to "others"...  how about it "others"?  can we proceed
with using skimmers the way we have in other contests or are you going to
stick by this new weird distinction between the RBN and other sources of
skimmer spots?


David Robbins K1TTT
e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
web: http://www.k1ttt.net
AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Robbins [mailto:k1ttt@verizon.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 13:20
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Cc: questions@cqww.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Update
> 
> 
> *C. *Remote skimmers (beyond the 500m station circle) are *not permitted
> for
> any category,* except for the *Reverse Beacon Network (RBN).* *Utilization
> of the RBN is permitted for all Multi-Operator classes as well as for the
> Single Operator-Assisted categories ONLY.* If you are a single op entry
> and
> access the Reverse Beacon Network, *you MUST submit your log as
> ASSISTED.***
> 
> 
> What makes the RBN unique that allows it but not direct access to other
> skimmer servers?  Should I block all access to my skimmer server, or
> monitor who is connected to report them to the committee???  I think there
> is at least one other skimmer aggregator at ve7cc, is that one not allowed
> but RBN is?



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