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License restructuring/contesting

Subject: License restructuring/contesting
From: kw4t@erols.com (Dan Weisenburger)
Date: Tue Feb 4 12:36:13 1997
This will be short.

1.      Tech+ have not taken any comprehensive test relating to HF operating
other than 10 meters.  

2.      Extra's need a sub-band on 40 meters (below the broadcast band)

3.      Open Book exams once again "Dumb-Down" the licensing structure.

4.      One minute of solid CW copy is good for all classes.

A Negative = The new ops this creates would be "Totally Mystified" the
first time a major contest hit the bands.  

A Positive = Each Contest Club should try to recruit the new blood this
would create.

73 from Lake Moneysgone,  Dan,  KW4T

>From tomf@neca.com (Tom Francis)  Mon Feb  3 14:23:26 1997
From: tomf@neca.com (Tom Francis) (Tom Francis)
Subject: Restructure es contesting
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970203142326.006640f0@neca.com>

Just a short comment - 

I feel that the restructure will be good
for amateur radio and contesting, but I'm
curious about the limited expansion of the
phone bands.

As long as CW is "officially" dead as a mode,
why not open the amateur bands to any mode
anywhere?  Just a thought.

Take care - keep your stick on the ice.

73

Tom, NM1Q (tomf@neca.com)



>From k0wa@southwind.net (Lee Buller)  Mon Feb  3 14:55:32 1997
From: k0wa@southwind.net (Lee Buller) (Lee Buller)
Subject: Restructure es contesting
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970203145532.006b5478@southwind.net>

At 09:23 AM 2/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Just a short comment - 
>
>I feel that the restructure will be good
>for amateur radio and contesting, but I'm
>curious about the limited expansion of the
>phone bands.
>
>As long as CW is "officially" dead as a mode,
>why not open the amateur bands to any mode
>anywhere?  Just a thought.
>
>Take care - keep your stick on the ice.
>
>73
>
>Tom, NM1Q (tomf@neca.com)
>
Tom....

Absolutely NOT!  This is not a flame either.  What we don't need in Amateur
Radio is chaos...and all this comment would do is to promote chaos.  Our
society has a tendency to go this direction, but rules are needed.  It is
hard enough to enforce the rules that we have.  We need to separate CW and
SSB.  I can see expanding SSB, but we need to keep the two separate.
Lee
k0wa@southwind.net


>From floydjr@Interpath.com (Jimmy R. Floyd)  Mon Feb  3 14:50:23 1997
From: floydjr@Interpath.com (Jimmy R. Floyd) (Jimmy R. Floyd)
Subject: NA SPRINT SSB Jan 97 Scores I
Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970203145023.2cb79e4a@interpath.com>

NA SPRINT SSB JAN 97
Raw Scores

Compiled by: WA4ZXA
<floydjr@interpath.com>

Date Posted: 02/03/97


CALL                  SCORE       QSO'S        MULTIS
________________________________________________________________________


High Power

K6LL                 13,296        277           48
K7SS (@W7TSQ)        12,192        254           48
K6LA                 11,985        255           47
KC6CNV               10,485        233           45
WB0O                 10,209        249           41
W5ASP                 9,331        217           43
W3GH (KB3AFT)         9,116        212           43
K5OT                  8,976        204           44
W6KY (@K6XT)          8,651        211           41
W7ZRC                 8,073        207           39
N6HC                  6,765        205           33
N5LZ                  5,250        150           35
KM0L                  4,736        128           37
VE9AA                 2,700        100           27
K6RO                    555         37           37
W6MVW                   377         29           13
K5NZ                               217           44


Low Power

N7LOX                 6,650        190           35
WA7BNM                3,240        108           30
WB0OLA                3,136         98           32
KR4YL                 2,280         76           30
W4PA                  2,232         72           31
N2NL                  1,608         67           24


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NO ATTACHMENTS !!! Attachments will not be posted or should NOT be sent to
me or the relfector.

REMEMBER THESE SCORES ARE UNOFFICIAL AND THIS IS NOT WHERE YOU SEND ANY
LOGS!!                                           ^^^ 

If you did not state what power you were running I put you in High Power.
If that is wrong just emial me and I will change it.


73 Jim


>From floydjr@Interpath.com (Jimmy R. Floyd)  Mon Feb  3 14:50:28 1997
From: floydjr@Interpath.com (Jimmy R. Floyd) (Jimmy R. Floyd)
Subject: CQ 160 CW 97 Scores V
Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970203145028.2cb7a6ca@interpath.com>

1997 CQ 160 METER CW CONTEST
Raw Scores

Compiled by WA4ZXA
<floydjr@interpath.com)

Date Posted 01/31/97
****** NEXT POSTING WILL BE FINAL POSTING ********

CALL             HRS         SCORE       Q'S       PTS    ST/VE    DX
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

SOP/QRP

N1TM              13         19,240      230       520      34      3
N4CM              13         13,024      160                34      3
K3WWP              8          6,300      117       252          25
KD1IA              7          4,368       74       168      73      1
N3ADL              2          2,596       53                22      0
KD1IA              7          1,768       74       168      73      1


SOP/HP

P40WA             28      1,050,000      980                56     66
P49I                        970,000      814                55     65
OT7T                        934,500     1119                49     76
VE3EJ (G4UXE)               781,911     1150      6683      57     60
GM3YOR            20        742,176      988      6872      47     61
EA3KU                       678,720      900      6060      46     66
G0IVZ             22        508,434      812      5034      43     58
LY2ZZ (LY2BTA)    33        506,979      856                32     67
G4BYG                       456,084      677      4223      38     70
VE9AA             24        455,712      784      4512      54     47
SM4HCM            32        435,108      720      4308      32     69
9A2TW             18        346,775      597      3575      29     68
JA5BJC                      261,900      325                35     55
VE1PZ             10        247,940      342      2530      50     48
JY9QJ                       193,050      392      3575       2     52
LA9GX             10        166,026      458      2478       9     58
PA3DMH             9         67,536      222      1206       8     48

W3LPL (W4ZV)      34        513,798     1182      4507      56     58
K8CC (W8MJ)       38        451,215     1119      4065      56     55
N5JA              31        402,708     1055      3628      57     54
AA1K              38        390,276     1034      3516      57     54
W9RE              18        280,908      900      2754      57     45
K2WK              10        267,500      631      2675      52     48
WS9V                        266,272      798      2512      57     49
AA8U                        254,600      815      2546      56     44
K5ZD              10        246,574      590      2542      52     45
KM3T              22        243,360      702      2535      54     42 
N7DD                        222,310      815                30     54
NI8L              16        201,388      710      2189      54     38
K1VW                        181,056      640      1968      53     39
WF3T                        175,648      677                56     32
W8CAR             25        160,689      695      1847      55     32
KW9KW             18        148,785      611      1635      57     34
K4ZA              20        145,770      691                56     30
W8GN                        136,890      669      1690      54     27
AA4S              15        134,070      641                53     29
W7GG                        132,000      614                55     18
N6ZZ                        131,887      567      1589      54     29
K3JT              14        123,570      459                55     35
WI9WI             16        122,213      607      1547      56     23
K3SV              16        118,607      501      1429      50     33
K5TT              16        102,804      490                54     24
N8EA                         90,885      353      1095      51     32  
WA7LNW            15         89,838      526      1302      57     14
N5UL              21         87,975      463                54     21
K9MA               5         81,510      352      1045      51     27
N7EX              14         61,860      278      1031      47     13
K6XT                         61,248      366                50     16
K2ONP                        59,283      281       941      43     20
N4BP              16         57,980      376       892          65
N5LZ              10         51,430      223       695      49     25
K2XA               7         49,038      175       743      34     32
K4ODL              9         35,456      162       554      39     25
K7OX              11         32,648      238       583      45     11
WJ2O               2          6,188       78                33      1


SOP/LP

VE3CSK            34        155,844      388      1998      52     26
VE3KZ             15        133,980      380      1914      53     17
S50U                         96,606      362      1789       0     54
S56A              10         54,537      231      1113       0     49
VE3OSZ            17         53,784       99       662      50     32
UR5IBG            12         39,732      190       924       0     43
9A2OO              4         31,120      155       778       0     40
TF3KX             10         15,352       77       404       5     33
VA3ZC              3         11,736      102       489      24      0

K1HTV                       166,605      726      1915      56     31
N5IA              27        105,861      581      1491      54     17
K2KQ              27         81,326      419      1099      49     25
AB1U              12         80,676      314       996      49     32
W4AA                         73,112      359       988      52     22
WO1N              18         62,766      350                45     21
AA8R                         60,224      380       941      50     14
K0RC              10         58,149      405       923      56      7
WA2DFI            29         49,029      353       831      52      7
KJ9C              12         48,739      339       799      49     12
K9WIE              8         45,506      305       746      51     10
WA8YRS            16         45,468      389       842          54
K8MR                         37,352      272                    58
W0VU                         36,336      318       757      41      7
WA0X                         33,609      310       659      51      0
W5OT (WA5TWL)                32,208      206       528          61
KN4QV              7         25,312      184       452      47      9
WO4O               9         21,887      237       509      40      3
N0HF                         21,372      177       411      46      6
WA6FGV                       21,168      189       432      44      5
N2BIM              5         18,081      198                40      1
W3CP               8         17,466      193       426      39      2
KG8W               5         13,502      137       314      39      4
WA7UQV                        8,052      102                    33
N6HC               5          5,945      101                27      2
K1EP               4          3,496       76       152      23      0
W0MU                            705       22                15      0


MultiOP/HP

DK1NO                       601,620      892      5420      41     70
OK5W                        526,932      820      4879      38     70
SL3ZV                       456,520      776      4520      30     71
PI4COM                      304,202      592                27     62
KP4/K4UJ                    298,015      512                52     43
PI4ZLD                      207,438      596      3143      12     54
JH9VSF/9                        438       16                 3      3

WW2Y                        807,000     1363                57     73
W2GD              42        696,000     1391      5568      57     68
N1BB                        555,960     1080                54     59
K3WW              25        406,339     1045      3628      56     56
NU8Z                        371,742     1055      3507      57     49
K3CR                        366,660     1090      3492      56     49
N3OC                        361,140      991                57     53
W4WA                        321,860      936      2926      57     53
W0CD              29        297,648      930      2862      57     47
AA0RS                       265,000      802                57     41
W3GH                        249,736      827      2356      57     49
N0NI                        249,504      957                    96
NQ4I              26        241,800      820      2418      57     43
N7JW                        239,372      852      2884      56     27
NM9H              24        230,454      859                57     36
NA5B              23        227,766      885      2618      56     31
AA4V                        201,500      710                57     43
K9BG              18        175,400      560                57     40
AA3B                        143,376      627      1648      55     32
K4OJ                        139,026      501                    94 
WC7M                        137,385      814                55     16
K3KO              13         81,011      435      1041      45     26
AE6E                         77,745      399      1095      47     27
KO7X              16         71,568      481      1136      53     10
N6KI                         69,312      430      1083      52     12
K2BM                         56,137      225       769      43     30

MultiOP/LP

EA4ML                       126,208      336      1856      19     49

AB5SE             17         51,420      383       857      53      7
KK5GT             11         24,429      208       479      47      4


Multi Opertor List

K40J          N0AX,WC4E,W1CW,W1YL
AA4V          AA4V,N4SF
N0NI          N0NI,N0AC,W0FLS
NQ4I          NQ4I,K4BAI,K2UFT
N1BB          W1FJ,W1KM,NB1B,WT1O,N1BB
KO7X          W7CT,KO7X
N7JW          N7JW,K7CA
NU8Z          NU8Z,N8CC,K8AQM,K8KS,KG8CO,K8AEM,W8MC
WC7M          WC7M,W7GS,WU7Y
N3OC          N3OC,KE3Q,WV3B
W0CD          K8GG,W8UVZ,W0CD
NM9H          NM9H,KX9X
W2GD          N2AA,K2SQ,KU2C,W2GD,W2NO,K2TW
W3GH          W3GH,W9XR
W8BAR         AA4VV,W1TO,W8WEJ,W8VVE
AA0RS         AA0RS,K0RF
WW2Y          WW2Y,K1ZM,N2NU,N2NC,N2NT,W2REH,K2WI
KP4/K4UJ      K4WA,K4UJ
PI4COM        PA3BBP,PA3ERC
N6KI          N6KI,KM6SN,WB6NBU,KM3G,N2MAU
AE6E          AE6E,KE4ZQD
W4WA          W4WA,AA4GA,KB4GID
SL3ZV         SM3BDZ,SM3CVM,SM3JLA,SM3OJR,SMEVDX
K3CR          KB3AFT,WA3HAE,WA3FET,NW3Z
EA4ML         EA4AFA,EA4EKR,EA4ET,EA4UA
DK1NO         DK1NO,DL1IAO
NA5B          W5AO,NA5B
PI4ZLD        PA3EOB,PA3GCU,PA3BTH

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

NO ATTACHEMENTS !!!! I will not post attached scores.

Do not post any scores to the Contest Reflector, only to me direct or to 
the 3830 reflector. 

These are NOT OFFICIAL SCORES so do not send me logs or anything like a 
log. I am on affilated with the CQ Mag or the contest committee.

Remember if I get any scores with only Single Op or no class on it I will
put you in Single Op High Power.

I realize there is not such class as MultiOP/LP. It is only for the guys
who want to see how they placed against each other.


73  Jim

           ********************************************************** 
           * Jimmy R. Floyd  (Jim)   Thomasville, NC                *
           *                                                        *
           * Amateur Call:              >> WA4ZXA <<                *
           * Internet Address:          >> floydjr@interpath.com << *
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>From nt5c@easy.com (John Warren)  Mon Feb  3 20:30:26 1997
From: nt5c@easy.com (John Warren) (John Warren)
Subject: Proposed License Restructuring
Message-ID: <1357160052-70203457@BANJO.EASY.COM>

Why are we not using this opportunity to request a 'phone segment below
7100? There is no ITU limitation on that in Region 2. My understanding is
that the absence of the "lower 48" from a prime contest/dx segment used by
the rest of the world (including KH6, KL7 and KP4) is basically an
agreement negotiated by ARRL within the IARU, and rubber-stamped by
subsequent FCC rules. What always galls me is to hear 4U1UN in New York
City - geographically surrounded by W2s - busy below 7100 in all the major
'phone contests.

John, NT5C.



>From hwardsil@wolfenet.com (Ward Silver)  Mon Feb  3 15:31:03 1997
From: hwardsil@wolfenet.com (Ward Silver) (Ward Silver)
Subject: License restructuring/contesting
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970203072606.4060E-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com>


I'm still weighing the pros and cons of the proposal.  On the face of it,
I like it, but I'm not sure it goes far enough to really stimulate the
entry-level folks to get on HF.  I will miss the Novice license, but agree
that it has served its purpose and is time to fade away.

In general, I would like to see a discussion of whether a power-based set
of priveleges would be a more attractive set of incentives than frequency
privileges.  In Japan, for example, the only restricted band is 20-meters
(I may not be entirely accurate on this point) and the entry-level group
has much wider frequency access at low-power.  I would expect this to give
the entry-level licensee a much greater exposure to general ham radio and
a much greater incentive to upgrade.

Of course, anything that gives the West Coast and advantage is fine with
me :-)

73, Ward N0AX


>From k6bz@c-zone.net (Jerry Boyd)  Mon Feb  3 23:36:39 1997
From: k6bz@c-zone.net (Jerry Boyd) (Jerry Boyd)
Subject: License re-structuring
Message-ID: <32F67687.719B@c-zone.net>

Here's a thought which, hopefully, will make some sense.  ANY proposed 
license re-structuring of the sort outlined in the ARRL's initial 
proposal will have an impact on contesting.  It seems fair and accurate 
to say that the "proposal" is very soft as it stands.  The League has 
asked for input from ALL U.S. amateurs prior to solidifying its WRC-99 
recommendations.  So, as a group, we contesters have an opportunity to 
provide meaningful input representing a significant number of amateurs.  
The question becomes one of how we do that.  Sure, we can do it 
individually and in large numbers, and that would have some impact.  
However, the chances are great that a contester's "position" would be 
watered down because the inputs will vary a lot.

What about, using the very accurate synopsis of what is being considered 
that has already appeared on this reflector, developing a comprehensive 
questionaire to solcit input from contesters?  That approach would insure 
that everyone who visits the subject on this reflector would respond to 
the same set of facts.  It might also reduce non-productive argument and 
flamage.  Over the next several months all contesters who use this 
reflector could complete the survey (after taking the time to really 
think through the proposals and their impact on contesting).  Prior to 
the ARRL's "deadline" for input the results of the contesters' survey  
could be tabulated and formed into a "Contesters' Position Paper" and 
presented to the League as input.  Rather than look like and be perceived 
as XXXX number of disjointed inputs reflecting various individual 
positions there is just a chance that it might be perceived as an 
organized, well conceived position of XXXXX number of amateurs involved 
in a significant aspect of our hobby.

Just a thought.  If it seems to have merit, I'd be willing to draft a 
questionaire and/or tabulate the results of same and write it up for 
submission.
73

Jerry Boyd
K6BZ
(ex KG6LF)

>From k4ro@music-city.tdec.state.tn.us (K4RO Kirk Pickering)  Mon Feb  3 
>16:03:37 1997
From: k4ro@music-city.tdec.state.tn.us (K4RO Kirk Pickering) (K4RO Kirk 
Pickering)
Subject: Restructure
Message-ID: <9702031603.AA10744@music-city.tdec.state.tn.us.state.tn.us>

>As long as CW is "officially" dead as a mode

The fact that they are considering changing the test back to
actually having to copy CW (as opposed to a multiple guess exam)
indicates that it is far from "dead."  Amateur Radio may well be
the only place where CW is alive and vibrant in the coming decades.

What does this have to do with contesting?  The fact that CW contests
seem to be as popular as ever, and the fact that the modes don't mix
very well in crowded conditions.  It's tough enough with the amount
of SSB we now have in the CW subbands.  Please don't make it worse.

-Kirk  K4RO

>From aa7bg@3rivers.net (K7BG Matt Trott)  Mon Feb  3 16:04:39 1997
From: aa7bg@3rivers.net (K7BG Matt Trott) (K7BG Matt Trott)
Subject: Amp reflector? (Alpha 374A)
Message-ID: <199702031604.JAA03590@sun.3rivers.net>

Sorry, I know I saw something about this in the subject column a while back
but I deleted a batch of messages without reading them. How silly of me.
Anyway, is there an amp reflector out there?  If there is I would like to
know so I can ask the question about my contest amp (Alpha 374A). It has
bandpass and/or manual tuning and I really enjoy the bandpass tuning
especially during sprint. It works fine (bandpass tuning) on all bands but
20 all of a sudden. I hear arcing going on when running on 20 and there is
no power out. Manual tuning works fine on 20. Anybody, know what could be
the problem? Just replace the blackened parts? I haven't taken the cover off
yet.

Thanks a million,

Matt--K7BustedGear


>From aa7bg@3rivers.net (K7BG Matt Trott)  Mon Feb  3 16:04:36 1997
From: aa7bg@3rivers.net (K7BG Matt Trott) (K7BG Matt Trott)
Subject: CW contest filters
Message-ID: <199702031604.JAA03587@sun.3rivers.net>

There may have been some discussion on this topic a year or so ago, but I
can't remember the verdict if there was.--A young budding contestor friend
of mine is planning on getting a cw filter for his FT900. In a ragchew last
night he said since the 250hz is only $10 more than the 500hz he is planning
on getting the 250hz.  I advised him that that may be too narrow for working
contests, especially in the "run" mode. He doesn't run power or big antennas
and he advised me he does a lot more S&Ping than running. Well, he may have
a point there.

I run 500hz and we were wondering what advice the experts could offer before
he spends his donero?  What would you advise him? He is AB7QE BTW (17 yrs old).

Thanks, Matt--K7BG


>From k6ll@juno.com (David O Hachadorian)  Mon Feb  3 16:25:10 1997
From: k6ll@juno.com (David O Hachadorian) (David O Hachadorian)
Subject: TS-850 separate key/keyer inputs
Message-ID: <19970203.162345.7927.0.k6ll@juno.com>

Does anyone have a procedure for modifying a TS-850 to
enable simultaneous use of the internal keyer and
external computer keying?

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
k6ll@juno.com

>From k4ro@music-city.tdec.state.tn.us (K4RO Kirk Pickering)  Mon Feb  3 
>17:35:48 1997
From: k4ro@music-city.tdec.state.tn.us (K4RO Kirk Pickering) (K4RO Kirk 
Pickering)
Subject: Restructure
Message-ID: <9702031735.AA10788@music-city.tdec.state.tn.us.state.tn.us>

I very rarely hear any CW in the SSB subbands.  Mainly because a SSB
signal wipes out CW much more than vice versa, in my experience.
I really don't think you can sneak a CW signal in anywhere.  I have
a very difficult time copying CW under SSB QRM, but the reverse is much
easier.  Just notch it out.  You can't do that with a SSB signal which
is inside the CW RX passband.  Try it with a weak CW signal sometime
and you'll see what I mean.  More grist for the mill.

Agreed, let's hope all this helps rather than hurt HR & Contesting.

-Kirk  K4RO

>From mraz@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (Kris Mraz, N5KM)  Mon Feb  3 17:43:35 1997
From: mraz@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (Kris Mraz, N5KM) (Kris Mraz, N5KM)
Subject: License re-structuring
References: <32F67687.719B@c-zone.net>
Message-ID: <32F623C7.7D43@aud.alcatel.com>

Just a few questions to help clarify the situation for me.
What is the ARRL's reason for wanting to change the US licensing
structure?
Why are the recommendations needed for WRC-99? Are not the proposed
changes
a matter soley for the FCC?

-- 

73
Kris N5KM 
mraz@aud.alcatel.com

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