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Re: [VHFcontesting] [VHF] Warmup Drift Of Ukranian , UT5JCW, 222 MHz Tra

To: peter h <n6ze@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] [VHF] Warmup Drift Of Ukranian , UT5JCW, 222 MHz Transverters & Possible Use With FT-8
From: JamesDuffey <jamesduffey@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 09:03:55 -0600
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Pete - W7QQ and I looked at about a half dozen of the Transverters Store 
(Ukrainian) 222MHz transverters a few years back. One thing that we noticed was 
that the drift we measured, while similar to the measurements on most of the 
units, was quite a bit worse on one unit. I suspect that it had been assembled 
with the wrong capacitors in the oscillator section. So, the measurements that 
Steve made may not be representative of all the units available. 

The other thing I would caution about is that the drift will probably vary when 
transmitting, so if he can, I would suggest that he redo the measurements while 
running FT8 into a dummy load. 

There is some frequency compensation in FT8, so some drift can be compensated 
for. I am not sure how much is viable in practice, but I would think that if it 
is under a tenth of the bandwidth, say 5 Hz drift, but the best way is to try 
it and see. Worst case would be the transverters at each end of the QSO.

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM

> On Apr 16, 2021, at 08:32, peter h via VHF <vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu> wrote:
> 
> 0715pdt 16april2021
> A number of us in SoCal have been using UT5JCW's 222MHz transverters with 
> good success on CW/SSB/FM from home and hilltopping/roving.
> Tim, N6GP, wondered if they are suitable for use on FT-8.
> Steve, WA6EJO, 'volunteered' to plot drift data on his UT5JCW 222MHz 
> transverter.
> His results are tabulated below.
>    Steve, WA6EJO, did some transmit frequency stability tests using a GPSDO 
> referenced frequency counter.
>  Some of the drift may be due to the exciter, a TS2000X, but most is from the 
> Ukranian transverter. 
>  From 2 to 3 minutes after power on it moved -227 Hz 3 to 4 minutes -103 Hz 4 
> to 5 minutes -64 Hz 5 to 6 minutes -45 Hz 6 to 7 minutes -27 Hz 7 to 8 
> minutes -21 Hz 8 to 9 minutes -17 Hz 9 to 10 minutes -7 Hz 10 to 15 minutes 
> +50 Hz 15 to 20 minutes +13 Hz 20 to 25 minutes +47 Hz 25 to 30 minutes +37 Hz
> 
> 
> Do any experienced FT-8 users have any comments on possible use of the 
> transverters with data modes?
> Thanks,
> BT73
> Pete, N6ZE 
> 
> 
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