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Re: [VHFcontesting] Weak Signal FM, open squelch, and VHF Contesting (wa

To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com, JamesDuffey <jamesduffey@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Weak Signal FM, open squelch, and VHF Contesting (was FT-991 for FM contesting)
From: Bruce Kripton <bkripton@pacbell.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 20:05:51 +0000 (UTC)
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 I echo the comments James made as related to "controlling the squelch".
In many cases where i have worked folks for the brief interval where either an 
airplane or other supporting phenomenon has facilitated the contact, there is 
almost always a leading change in the apparent noise level and signals will 
typically follow that in either an ebb and flow, or flutter, often just enough 
to get an FM exchange completed. 

I was able to do some of the best FM work i have ever been geared up for this 
past January, contacts on some of the 2/440 bands in the realm of 150 to 250 
miles that "sounded like" or could have been locals in our topology challenged 
southwestern states, soft fades, hard fades and drop outs, lots of flutter and 
variable speed picket fencing, all of the regular fare to be expected on FM.

I know that the tolerance to listen to one or more radios all spewing 
background noise and static over the course of a contest weekend isn't an 
attractive proposal, but for FM it's a necessity unless you're willing to write 
off the incidental and or weaker contacts. And, of course, i never turned a 
radio on for what seemed like the next couple of weeks to get the white noise 
out of my head.

It is, after all, FM :-)
73 - Bruce KG6IYN

    On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 11:13:39 AM PST, JamesDuffey 
<jamesduffey@comcast.net> wrote:  
 
 Alan - Sorry I can’t help with your FT991 issues, but if you don’t mind me 
hijacking the thread a bit, I would like to say a few things about weak signal 
contesting using FM.

Below the capture threshold, usually about 10dB signal to noise ratio, FM 
behaves much like other signals with amplitude, not frequency, modulation. That 
is, there is a linear increase in demodulated signal strength for a linear 
increase in input signal strength up to the capture threshold of about 10dB SNR 
or so. So, there is usually useful communication ability if the squelch is 
lowered to the point where it is ineffective in squelching the noise. You can 
usually hear the station. The downside to operating in this region is the 
increased bandwidth, which results in increased noise.

I have had many long distance QSOs on FM operating below the capture threshold, 
mostly in AZ during the January contest when SOTA stations often operate from 
mountain tops with low power handhelds. I remember one QSO of 90 miles or so on 
1296 where the other station was having trouble hearing me. After several go 
around, someone on frequency, who could hear both of us, kept telling him to 
turn down his squelch. He finally did and we made the QSO.

About the only time I operate FM is during the contests, but I find listening 
to a squelched radio unnerving. I expect to hear noise in the receiver when I 
stop transmitting. It seems unnatural not to. How do you know it is working? - 
Duffey KK6MC

James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM
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