Sebastian,
I don't think you can draw any conclusion from looking at how many times
someone has published contest results on the 3830 list. Many contesters choose
not to publish their scores there.
73, Paul K7CW
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From: "Sebastian, W4AS" <w4as@bellsouth.net>
To: "VHFCONTESTING@contesting.com" <VHFCONTESTING@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] "CQ On The Internet", Spin Doctors, and fair debate
Les, while this has really nothing to do with the subject of making changes in
contests, today I decided to run a completely unscientific query on the 3830
list. For those that don't know, "The 3830 list is for posting contest score
rumors." I believe it has been in place since the late 90s. It is a place to
basically post how you did in a particular contest. Whatever is posted on
there is not checked by any of the contest originators, so there could very
well be errors in math, etc. I chose 3830 as it is not limited to any
particular organization.
I should mention the results of my poll do not take the following into
consideration:
Some may either have never heard of, or never bothered to submit their score to
3830;
Some may be very active in contests, but use a club or someone else's call;
Some may have no interest in contesting at all.
Here are my findings: the ARRL has a total of 30 individuals in the position
of Director or Vice-Director. I decided that 6 posts to the list should be the
minimum to be counted "as an active contest participant". Using those figures,
only 14 Directors/Vice Directors have posted more than 6 times to 3830. That
means that more than half have never done so. For those wondering if some of
them never posted, there is a total of 8 who have never posted there; and 4 who
have posted only once. In fairness, a number of those who have posted, show
hundreds of posts.
Taking into account the possibilities of reasons these folks have not submitted
scores, it appears to show the majority of our elected ARRL representatives are
not very active, at least in this aspect of the hobby.
73 de Sebastian, W4AS
On Sep 26, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Les Rayburn <les@highnoonfilm.com> wrote:
> Ever notice that some of the biggest detractors of the creation of ASSISTED
> classes for VHF Contesting are also among those who never show up in your
> log? You can do some amazing things on the Internet, including doing a search
> by callsign of CQ and ARRL VHF Contests over the last several years. It's
> interesting to see who submitted a log, and who did not.
>
> Makes me wonder why some who seem to be so passionate about VHF contesting
> don't bother to actually participate all that often.
>
> Whie I work in public relations, I don't always appreciate attempts to
> manipulate language to change the context of a discussion, or sway opinion
> unfairly. I think referring to Marshall's proposal to create ASSISTED
> categories in VHF Contests as "calling CQ on the Internt" amounts to dirty
> pool.
>
> Announcing that you are calling CQ on a given frequency, from a given
> location does not constitute a contact. To do that you must actually work
> them on the radio. It does make it easier to find and work stations who may
> be within range of your stations--that is, after all, the intention of the
> proposal. But if the person doing so competes on equal ground with others in
> an ASSISTED class, who is harmed? Those who want to be purists or luddites
> can continue to operate without assistance and compete with others who feel
> the same way.
>
> Personally, I prefer the much more liberal rules demonstrated in last week's
> Sprint. Contacts and skeds can be arranged in advance of the contest or
> during, by telephone, Internet, or smoke signals. But for the contact to
> count it must be made via RF.. I tried and failed to work six stations that I
> had skeds with arranged impromptu in a chat room. None of them went in the
> log.
>
> In the end it all comes down to honor and intergrity. You either work them,
> or you don't. The same standard applies to debating a proposal. You can do so
> fairly on the merit of the ideas, or you can attempt to manipulate language.
> You can create a catchy turn of phrase, or you can contribute ideas, effort,
> time, and yes....logs into the hobby.
>
> I judge ideas and proposals based on merits. The merit of the idea itself,
> and also the merit of the person putting it foward.
>
>
>
> --
> --
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> 121 Mayfair Park
> Maylene, AL 35114
> EM63nf
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