well its more the lack of enforcement in the analogy.
Why set a limit you can't or wont enforce?
Contests are not really contests without enforcement of rules and judges. The
competive spirit of the adverage american often times involves cutting
corners.....or lack of regulations...
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:29:44 +0000
From: kg7hf@comcast.net
To: k3uhf@hotmail.com
CC: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
Subject: Re: VUAC Survey input/ debate
That makes sense, the only thing is that the station would be penalized for a
situation completely out of his/her control as they can't prevent others from
spotting them if they so choose to do so.
I'm not sure the analogy of the road race fits though. The individual
contestants of the road race can control their own speed.
Paul
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From: "frank bechdoldt" <k3uhf@hotmail.com>
To: kg7hf@comcast.net
Cc: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:46:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: VUAC Survey input/ debate
well a purest would say yes. What you did by spotting someone as a "SWL" or
"VSWL" (hi hi) is assist the station. This station gets assistance by your
post when he works other "VSWLs" who follow your post and complete a QSO with
him.
A winning station would simply need to have a friendly "VSWL" post spots for
him to aid his score. I imagine if you compared the last contest logs to he
spots made by "VSWLs" you would see a correlation of QSOS to spots made by non
contestants.
The true mechanics at play here is that only a few can really compete in this
contest. The rest of the people on the air are using any means necessary to
complete a QSO to gather initials. The attempt to make a divide in the rules
has only exasperated the problem they are trying to fix. Unless those web pages
shut down for the contest or are policed by the ARRL by proxy spotting will
continue to happen and no one will know the true motivation of by proxy
spotters.
This is not a judgement of what is right or wrong its an evaluation of the
circumstances. It would be like having a road race from NY to LA and saying no
speeding but you don't or can't put any cops on the road.
Frank
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:12:36 +0000
From: kg7hf@comcast.net
To: k3uhf@hotmail.com
CC: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] VUAC Survey input/ debate
Hi,
I'm confused. If I'm working the contest as "unassisted" and someone else
chooses to spot me without me asking them or otherwise interacting with them, I
suddenly become classified as "assisted"?
I don't have much for a station, in many cases I can hear a big gun station but
they can't hear me. I usually spot them so that others who are more fortunate
can work them if they choose. In this case, I am simply an swl who is
reporting I hear a distant station. Should that station then become assisted?
Paul Decker (KG7HF)
----- Original Message -----
From: "frank bechdoldt" <k3uhf@hotmail.com>
To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:25:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [VHFcontesting] VUAC Survey input/ debate
I have reports of :
During the contest there were non contestants (formally assisted) spotting non
assisted people on some of the web pages. This was not to help the non
assisted people, but to help the formally assisted people get more QSOS and
contacts and ultimately QSL cards for working these individuals. In the last
contest Non assisted qso numbers doubled while the number of registered
participants dropped because of the loss of an category.
The ARRL can not police the web pages. Unassisted people benefit from the
activity of others no matter how they communicate or spot with each other.
The current rules has their head in the sand on this issue. The only fair way
to do it is to acknowledge that all sorts of assistance exists and other than
exchanging actual QSO information all classes are allowed to spot or be
spotted. That or police the web pages and all spotted call signs are
registered and sent to the ARRL to ensure they are listed as assisted. A major
scandal like this happened one with a CQ HF contest where someone documented
unassisted people were being spotted and the QSO times matched the spots. Why
expose an ARRL contest to that?
k3uhf
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