How about the ARRL just eliminate all 3 rover categories? Problem solved!!
73s John AA5JG
--- On Wed, 11/19/08, frank bechdoldt <k3uhf@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: frank bechdoldt <k3uhf@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] More Roving and an idea or two
> To: k6nc@saciplaw.com, jamesduffey@comcast.net, vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 11:28 PM
> actually I worked another rover another station 45 times
> with a combo of 6 bands while never coming within 100 miles
> of his rover. That being said I would be happy to limit it
> to the first 30 contacts and if we were scheming we would
> try to ignore each other in grids that are well populated.
> Other ideas is mininum distances IE 2 grids away. My recent
> suggestion to the VUAC is to actually creat another
> multiplier. This one would be your traditional final score
> multiplied by the number of unique stations you work and
> this would be for all rovers if not for everyone. Its the
> big equalizer and maybe the most efficent. Then if some
> could choose working the same guy 100 times vs working
> everone else one to 3 times on adverage along with the 100
> repeat rule.
>
> Does this re-enforce the concept of more involvement?
>
>
>
> From: k6nc@saciplaw.comTo: jamesduffey@comcast.net;
> vhfcontesting@contesting.comCC: k3uhf@hotmail.comDate: Thu,
> 20 Nov 2008 05:17:03 +0000Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] More
> Roving
> James:
>
> We agree with you that the Limited Rover class was not
> necessarily intended for beginners, although it does provide
> an entry level class in terms of equipment/power
> limitations. Personally, I really like the Limited Rover
> class for those times when I just don't want to (or
> can't) put the whole system together for a contest.
>
> One of the most porous holes in the rules, in our opinion,
> is the ability of the General Rover class to make up to 100
> contacts with another Rover. If this were restricted to
> 30-50 contacts, or so, the incentive and the ability to grid
> circle in the "gang roving" sense would be
> significantly limited. This same limitation should apply to
> the Limited Rover class, as well. Personally, we can't
> think of a single contest where our contacts with another
> Rover station have even approached 30 contacts. When
> you're not traveling together, the chances of making
> that many contacts with another Rover (especially out West)
> are fairly remote. If you were able to look at the logs of
> the parties mentioned in previous postings who "maxed
> out" their contacts with other Rovers, it would be
> interesting to see how many hit 100 contacts with another
> Rover.
>
> It's "gang roving" that skews the results so
> significantly, so that activity should be available only to
> the Unlimited class.
>
> On the other hand, we do not believe that restricting the
> Limited Rover class in terms of band selection, should be
> limited in any way. We prefer the lower bands when we
> operate fewer bands, but if someone wants to operate up
> higher, and still be restricted in power as the rules
> provide, why not allow it?
>
> 73, Mike K6NC and Catherine KG6HXI
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----From: James Duffey
> [mailto:jamesduffey@comcast.net]Sent: Wednesday, November
> 19, 2008 08:29 PMTo: vhfcontesting@contesting.comCc:
> 'James Duffey', 'frank bechdoldt'Subject:
> [VHFcontesting] More RovingFrank - You wrote: To answer
> James’s question : The issue is more the manipulation of
> the rules and lack of forethought in the creation of the
> rules. That being taking something that was meant to
> encourage new people to our sport and manipulating it to
> work as a team to win all three classes roving. This is like
> having Bobbie Fisher showing up to the elementary school
> chess club and beating all the 8 year old kids in 5 moves
> and using the results to declare himself national champ.
> That being said I’m sure some would compete in a limited
> fashion just to see how far they could go, So it needs to be
> limited at or below 1.3 ghz. That’s where the commercial
> stuff is and that what the class was made for. This would
> not punish the microwave people. They are not beginners. The
> process of healing of ALL contesting will begin with open
> logs. I am not sure that the VUAC thought of the limited
> class exclusively to attract Joe 706 pack to contesting, but
> rather to form a class where one would not need significant
> resources to compete effectively as a rover. A four band and
> a 160 Watt limitation pretty well defines the upper limit of
> what one can spend on a rove and still drive around in a
> street legal vehicle. While I am sure that the VUAC did not
> contemplate a limited rover operating solely on the
> microwave bands while roving, they did nothing to prevent
> that in the rules. Now that has happened they can reconsider
> hte rule, if it should be changed and if something should be
> changed, what. Rules are rules. One either follows the rules
> or he disregards them. If one can follow the rules and not
> get the expected results then the rules need to be changed.
> But one should not blame the one who is following the rules.
> There are lots of ways to deal with grid squaring. The
> current attempt was a good start. It is not perfect, nor did
> the VUAC expect it to be. It can be made to work. There are
> other alternatives. I outlined some of them in a previous
> e-mail. No matter what we think of the present situation, it
> does no good to complain without suggesting a viable
> alternative. Suggesting that someone do something is not
> very valuable. Suggesting what specifically they should do
> is a much more valuable contribution to the sport. If you
> don't like the current state of affairs in roving,
> suggest specific alternatives that will fix the problem
> without introducing new problems. - Duffey -- KK6MC James
> Duffey Cedar Crest NM
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