I think I need to take the time to clarify my positions and what I think of
some of the key people brought into this. Its getting pretty twisted and
perhaps I am too direct.
Jim,
You are missing the point. How am I lying by saying he is undocumented?
I brought up reasons why undocumented rovers could be an issue when someone
asked why. This issue existed long before the June contest. I do not know
why he failed to post a log. The dog could of ate it. Maybe he only met the
team for one grid intersection and a photo op. I surmised a reason from a
skeptical point of view.
I think I have spoke with him before or perhaps it was his or his
partner’s posts . I am not 100 percent sure. I was under the impression that
he did his own thing and he sometimes went with another vehicle for safety when
he is far from home. I would have to go back and browse the soap box entries
and posts for the facts. His call does not come to mind when I think of
Massive grid circling efforts, his scores reflect that. He is not the only
undocumented major participant in history. The flaw is how the rules address
this when we cap it to 100 QSOs with limited rovers. The conversation has
moved well beyond that. I never said he is cheating. I see a hole in the
rules. Not a big one as compared to others.
The history shows he is a good operator in other contests where the
rules are much clearer. His posts indicate he had one partner, (find the call
yourselves thanks)
I was under the impression that they don’t take the opportunity to
grid circle as much as others do. It would probably still be team roving in my
book, but not the ARRL’s if it is limited to 100 contacts.
I just find it sad that it gets personal when we question if the
intent of the rules are being followed. We don’t need to question every rover
everywhere. But it begs the question when they ignore the intent and flaunt it
on a soap box and call themselves gentlemen while putting people who question
the practices but avoid using their calls unless brought out in the first
place.
The reason they feel singled out, is because they are one of a
small percentage of us rovers doing this. If you are the only thief on the
block, you feel nervous when things are noticed missing. (not to imply they
are thieves, its an analogy)
And to James s’ point, we have plowed it before. The intent was to
separate the two rover practices to resolve this. If they did I would get
bored someday and give them a run for their money up here. But not until the
rules are solved and I get bored.
The rule changed failed because the VUAC and ARRL in my opinion is being too
nice and trying to make everyone happy and making mush out of principles.
As to your other post (KK6MC). You would of moved up a place, but
the big difference when there’s a 100% difference between first and second in
the rover category and number 1 may of quadrupled his score based on the
interactions with his team mates alone.
I bring up the grid circlers logs because KK6MC used them to their
defense. I can’t find the logs online. Maybe I am assuming too much when I
think the group gave them to him in order to defend themselves. (Like a 527
group). I don’t know that. But if you knew what you knew to defend them. Then
what about those percentages I asked for?
Also……
If points don’t matter lets take them away.
I read the post you linked. That is not entirely true or the ARRL is the liar
when they said they worked 98 percent of their own team stations to win in QST
magazine.
That’s what happened one year in QST, look it up, it was in the plain states
rove.
I liked some of Wayne’s efforts and spirit to drive to the east coast and
compete directly with the big boys out there in his Van. Then it changed. I
personally believe he beat the old school circlers and rovers at their own
game. Someday this may be settled and I would still see his efforts as one of
the greats. I disagree with what he is fabricating here.
KK6MC’s rover station looks well equipped and is a value to Rural New Mexico .
I don’t mean to pick on him either.
go have fun in the contest boys...
K3UHF
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