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Re: [VHFcontesting] Rule Change Discussion

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Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Rule Change Discussion
From: "John (JK) Kalenowsky, K9JK" <k9jk73@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:22:39 -0500
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Mostly for John (but perhaps my description wasn't clear so to all),

WF5VHF/R has moved to a DIFFERENT Grid so there IS incentive to for >me< to 
work him if I have NOT ALREADY worked >HIM< in that particular grid (perhaps he 
was there previously in the contest), the QSO points DO count for me. However, 
if >I< am a rover who has already worked WF5VHF/R from the grid >I< am 
currently in (i.e. >I< have not changed grids), there would not be incentive 
for WF5VHF/R to work me under my proposal since he will get ZERO QSO Points but 
I HOPE that he _would_ work me so >I< can get the QSO Points (and maybe I can 
reciprocate for him in some later reverse situation).

73, JK
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Geiger (NE0P)<mailto:ne0p@lcisp.com> 
  To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com<mailto:vhfcontesting@contesting.com> ; Tom 
Carney<mailto:tomc7@earthlink.net> ; John Kalenowsky, 
K9JK<mailto:k9jk73@msn.com> 
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:03
  Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Rule Change Discussion


  But there would still be times when it would be pointless to work a rover.  
If I work WF5VHF/R on 2 meters in EM05, and then he goes to EM15, there would 
be no reason to work him if I had already worked EM15 on 2 meters.  I believe 
this would still discourage rover activity.  

  I am not sure that the VHF contests are broken, so maybe we don't need to fix 
them.

  73s John NE0P
     


  ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
  From: "John (JK) Kalenowsky, K9JK" <k9jk73@msn.com<mailto:k9jk73@msn.com>>
  Date:  Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:52:02 -0500

  >I agree with John and Tom...as someone who IS fairly active as a rover, I 
would stop roving if ALL QSO points with other rovers were 'set' to be zero.
  >
  >HOWEVER, if the *first* contact I made on each band with another rover in a 
given grid (*regardless* of >my< grid) got QSO Point credit, but further QSOs 
(as I changed >my< grid) with that same rover in that same given grid got zero 
points (kind of like we only get credit for the *first* time we work a 
multiplier/grid square for each given band), I'd be OK with that. Of course, 
that creates an entirely NEW Grid Circling strategy which can still be done for 
an increase in score (though not as great an increase), but it also encourages 
more time and effort to try and work stations OTHER than a circling partner or 
members of your 'pack'. Admittedly, there would be some situations where the 
OTHER rover would want contacts but I would have no incentive to work them and 
vice versa, but I'd hope that I and the other rover( s) would find a way to 
work that out.
  >
  >73, JK
  <<snip, snip to cut some of the repetition>>
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